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Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by tom_walker »

Johnie wrote: post #39
joshstrange wrote: post #8

I honestly didn't think you could be arrested for protesting like this without at least a warning and even then if only if it turned violent...

From what I've read, there had been plenty of warnings all day. >The group was on East 17th Street about halfway down the block when police took a stand and ordered protesters to get on the sidewalk. Before the march, while the group was in Union Square, police handed out flyers and used loudspeakers to warn protesters that they would be arrested if they didn't stay on the sidewalk. http://7online.com/news/more-than-…

To give some context, in Washington, DC, it's explicitly legal to march in the streets without a permit, regardless of the amount of people.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by vacri »

arsenide wrote: post #31
wheaties wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt very seriously that any cop does not find the manual paper entry and time wasted a good thing. More than likely they wanted to go home just as bad as the "perps."

But it is a potential conflict of interest, hence it is something worth addressing, no? Especially it's in the best interests of both the cops and the people.

It's better than encouraging them not to fill out paperwork.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by rhizome »

Johnie wrote: post #33
MarkG509 wrote: post #26

Perhaps it time someone built a web site where the opinions, comments, and especially actions/votes, of every politician running for office, from City Council on up, were tracked. Scoring the politicians based on their support for the constitution and especially human rights, plus encouraging the vote, could fix this after just an election cycle or two.

How about try to increase voter turnout first? No amount of public education and politician tracking will be useful if only 1/3 of eligible voters actually vote. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/11...

These things are not so separate as you portray, voter turnout can increase when people learn the people governing them are total dipshits and bullies. There are a lot of motivating reasons, and people are different.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by eru »

agwa wrote: post #34
icelancer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? They are allowed to express their right to free speech and expression as well, just as the protestors should be able to.

Legally, they do not have the right of free speech when in uniform. See Garcetti v. Ceballos: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6711908971660042... And as a matter of principle, they should not. When in uniform, a police officer is not a private person, who has rights, but rather a representative of the government, which does not have rights, but authority delegated to it by the people. Further reading, fro…

> And as a matter of principle, they should not. When in uniform, a police officer is not a private person, who has rights, but rather a representative of the government, which does not have rights, but authority delegated to it by the people.

Oh, they still have rights when in uniform. Eg at the most basic, the right not to be killed. But you are right about the free speech. Just like any other employee in their capacity as an employee, only more so.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by task_queue »

mschuster91 wrote: post #45

> This was super distressing for a lot of people, as those belongings usually included wallet, phone, and keys. So after you are done at Central Booking, you are basically left with no possessions or money, and no way to get into your home or contact anyone. Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal.

This is standard fare for any police department ever.

It took me about 4 months to get my phone back from the NYPD, which was fun.

I love it when white people are shocked by their first arrest, because it (unfortunately) means something might get done. The system sucks. Now please scare other white people about it.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by vacri »

kw71 wrote: post #11
revelation wrote: post #9

NYPD needs to be disbanded. If you have officers repeating the same conduct one just got charged with depraved heart murder for, it's out of control. This stuff is simple enough. Get out of your escort, stand among the other normal people and do some dogfooding of the police experience. I guess nobody higher up wants to spend the day doing that, because at the end of it there wouldn't be anyone still employed at NYPD…

When they expressed insubordination by turning their backs on the Mayor, that signalled to me that they have no respect for authority. This is exactly the kind of people that do not belong on a police force. I can't imagine why they weren't all fired. They certainly don't deserve any of the respect that they get, nor their pensions.

I can't imagine why they weren't all fired

It seems peculiar to American discourse that wrongdoing in a job should be countered by firing rather than retraining or reform.

Anyway, police departments generally have a hard enough time already finding and keeping staff. Firing them en masse requires replacing them en masse. Who polices the city while you're looking for and training a heap of new recruits?

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by harryh »

rayiner wrote: post #43
kw71 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they expressed insubordination by turning their backs on the Mayor, that signalled to me that they have no respect for authority. This is exactly the kind of people that do not belong on a police force. I can't imagine why they weren't all fired. They certainly don't deserve any of the respect that they get, nor their pensions.

Every single one of those officers should have been fired on the spot. I'm no fan of de Blasio, but he's the democratically elected mayor of New York. Turning your back to him is turning your back to the people who elected him.

Ignoring for the moment that the union certainly wouldn't allow such firings this also seems like a 1st amendment issue. What does the court have to say about expressions of speech in this context?

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by ryanmarsh »

task_queue wrote: post #57
mschuster91 wrote: post #45

> This was super distressing for a lot of people, as those belongings usually included wallet, phone, and keys. So after you are done at Central Booking, you are basically left with no possessions or money, and no way to get into your home or contact anyone. Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal.

This is standard fare for any police department ever. It took me about 4 months to get my phone back from the NYPD, which was fun. I love it when white people are shocked by their first arrest, because it (unfortunately) means something might get done. The system sucks. Now please scare other white people about it.

> I love it when white people are shocked by their first arrest

This. My arrest taught me that there is zero humanity and zero fucks given in "the system".

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