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Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by arsenide »

wheaties wrote: post #14
spodek wrote: post #10

> for every one of the 120+ of us in holding, there was also a cop who was waiting there too, being paid overtime and trying to get our paperwork processed so that they could go home Cops being paid overtime is a tremendous conflict of interest motivating them to arrest and to process slowly.

I doubt very seriously that any cop does not find the manual paper entry and time wasted a good thing. More than likely they wanted to go home just as bad as the "perps."

But it is a potential conflict of interest, hence it is something worth addressing, no? Especially it's in the best interests of both the cops and the people.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by Snesker »

Hobotron1 wrote: post #19
mapt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are limits. You probably wouldn't object to a police officer being fired when it's discovered they have 5,000 posts on Stormfront expressing solidarity for their Aryan brothers in their struggle against multicultural impurity. These police officers expressed contempt in an organized, planned way for anyone who would hold police officers accountable for murders committed on the job. They essentially declared tha…

> We can find other people to be police officers. Can we though? I sure as shit don't want to be one.

They don't want you, you're probably too smart.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/sto...

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by Johnie »

MarkG509 wrote: post #26

Perhaps it time someone built a web site where the opinions, comments, and especially actions/votes, of every politician running for office, from City Council on up, were tracked. Scoring the politicians based on their support for the constitution and especially human rights, plus encouraging the vote, could fix this after just an election cycle or two.

How about try to increase voter turnout first? No amount of public education and politician tracking will be useful if only 1/3 of eligible voters actually vote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/11...

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by agwa »

icelancer wrote: post #12
kw71 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they expressed insubordination by turning their backs on the Mayor, that signalled to me that they have no respect for authority. This is exactly the kind of people that do not belong on a police force. I can't imagine why they weren't all fired. They certainly don't deserve any of the respect that they get, nor their pensions.

What? They are allowed to express their right to free speech and expression as well, just as the protestors should be able to.

Legally, they do not have the right of free speech when in uniform. See Garcetti v. Ceballos: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6711908971660042...

And as a matter of principle, they should not. When in uniform, a police officer is not a private person, who has rights, but rather a representative of the government, which does not have rights, but authority delegated to it by the people.

Further reading, from an actual lawyer: http://blog.simplejustice.us/2014/10/18/ferguson-revenge-of-...

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by waqf »

golemotron wrote: post #23

> I just got back from 12 hours in NYPD holding. If I can get arrested (with all of my white privilege and generally perceived non-threatening stature), so can anybody. ... Obviously I don’t know what happened in each person’s actual arrest, but I do know that the criminal charges overwhelmingly fell to people of color and those with more masculine gender presentations. One of the most distressing things I find about…

And even then she avoids connecting it with the word "privilege". You can almost see the cognitive dissonance in those sentences.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by agwa »

privong wrote: post #15
icelancer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? They are allowed to express their right to free speech and expression as well, just as the protestors should be able to.

Yes, they should be free to express their opinions. But free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. One could make a case that that sort of behavior could be considered insubordination and grounds for termination.

> Yes, they should be free to express their opinions. But free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

That's bad analysis. Free speech means freedom from government-imposed consequences, and since their employer is the government, being fired would be a government-imposed consequence. (For the same reason, public universities cannot discipline students for their protected speech.) Rather, the correct reason these cops should be fired is because they legally do not have the right of free speech when in uniform - see my other comment up-thread.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by [deleted] »

arsenide wrote: post #31
wheaties wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt very seriously that any cop does not find the manual paper entry and time wasted a good thing. More than likely they wanted to go home just as bad as the "perps."

But it is a potential conflict of interest, hence it is something worth addressing, no? Especially it's in the best interests of both the cops and the people.

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Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by Johnie »

joshstrange wrote: post #8

I honestly didn't think you could be arrested for protesting like this without at least a warning and even then if only if it turned violent...

From what I've read, there had been plenty of warnings all day.

>The group was on East 17th Street about halfway down the block when police took a stand and ordered protesters to get on the sidewalk. Before the march, while the group was in Union Square, police handed out flyers and used loudspeakers to warn protesters that they would be arrested if they didn't stay on the sidewalk.

http://7online.com/news/more-than-140-protesters-arrested-in...

Here is the flyer that they were handing out: https://twitter.com/Azi/status/593536703324905473/photo/1

I mean, look at it that other way. People should not be able to openly obstruct traffic. If I were to go run out in the middle of Broadway and block traffic, I would probably be arrested. Just because someone is "protesting" doesn't give them free reign to violate the laws.

This is why public marches/protests require a permit. These guys did not have a permit to do so. See: http://www.nyclu.org/content/know-your-rights-demonstrating-...

> You may be able to march in a public street (as opposed to on a sidewalk) in some circumstances. To march in a street, you must obtain a permit from the Police Department. If you expect to have fewer than 1,000 people in your march, you can apply for a permit at the precinct in which the march will originate. If you expect 1,000 people or more or you prefer to use mail, send your application to: NYPD Investigation Review Section, 300 Gold St., Room 305, Brooklyn 11201. You can download a permit application from the front of the NYPD’s website

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Post by privong »

mod wrote: post #24
therobot24 wrote: post #7

>> I was never read my rights I thought this was only necessary if the police are going to question you.

I thought when arrested and charged with a crime. IANAL obviously.

It appears that it is only necessary when there is going to be questioning/interrogation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

Though, it seems as though the police can skip the miranda rights bit and interrogate, if they don't want to use subsequent statements or information in court. There's also the "public safety exception", which doesn't seem to apply for the situation in this particular account.

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