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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by frik »

UK-AL wrote: post #253
frik wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than that. Scroll half way down on my link above, check out the screenshots and video. Visual Studio Code is more like an offline version of Visual Studio Online (the editor part), 2 years later.

The editor is a tiny tiny tiny tiny part of VS Online.

And exactly that "not so tiny" editor is the big part of Visual Studio Code. And it is not trivial at all - it's a very complex component to get right. The editor component comes from Switzerland and is called "monaco" and one of the main reasons why the "TypeScript" language exists and why ES6 looks as it looks today.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by toyg »

clebio wrote: post #252
zaphar wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

You just have to look at the amount of money they sunk into R&D in the last 15 years, which is public data. Nobody spends that sort of cash to simply develop simple iterative versions of established products (which Windows and Office have been ever since XP, really) or one random new gizmo (Kinect).

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by nashashmi »

tracker1 wrote: post #181
aceperry wrote: post #137

This is definitely a big and newsworthy announcement from MS Build. And one of the few times that linux was given any respect as a platform. I think it still remains to be seen as to how serious MS is about real cross-platform products and work, but it's a great step. If they make their cross platform products roughly equal, not like that mono crap, then I would consider that to be a real effort by MS.

In this case, I think they are re-using Electron as a wrapper for their editor combined with some of their existing efforts for a web based VS editor. In this case, I'd suspect they'll flush this out to be much closer to what VS offers as cross platform. I see a LOT of developers using macbooks, and fewer booting up windows to edit VS projects anymore. This is to stay relevant and that effort won't change... of cours…

Go here ... https://code.visualstudio.com/

and click on the video. The guy is using a macbook air and there is a Microsoft logo in the background.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by johnchristopher »

clebio wrote: post #252
zaphar wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

You could google for that minimsft blog and the `we forgot how to ship´ trend of a few years back (from Sinofsky(i?) I believe).

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by sbenario »

zaphar wrote: post #242
frik wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.

MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

100% true on all counts.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by mwcampbell »

M8 wrote: post #185
jordz wrote: post #109

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This editor is built on Atom.

So it's crappy HTML and JS underneath? I was hoping for cross-platform WPF :(.

Agreed on the crappiness of the web stack for this application. But WPF isn't necessarily better. Case in point: a Bible study program where one's choice of video card actually mattered, at least in 2009 (see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/6200.aspx). BTW, I only know about that specific example because my brother is a preacher.

I think a better foundation for a cross-platform editor/IDE would be SWT, the Standard Widget Toolkit from Eclipse, perhaps ported to .NET.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by emodendroket »

timboslice wrote: post #231
tomjen3 wrote: post #224

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Whats in the crash info? Because even the name of the file or any memory content means I can't use it because it might leak company secrets (e.g product names).

Then don't use it until it is stable. This is a preview release

What, you mean you don't use a bunch of preview products to work on your top-secret company code?

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by click170 »

frik wrote: post #176
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

Sorry to nick pick but the following download statement is "not optimal": When this tool crashes, we automatically collect crash dumps so we can figure out what went wrong. If you don’t want to send your crash dumps to Microsoft, don't install this tool. So no check box to deactivate this phone-home feature that used to be standard in Microsoft products like Visual Studio, Office and Windows. That's a regression. (So…

I agree, there should be an option for that.

But for those who care about their privacy, IMO its approaching the problem from the wrong angle if you're trying to get some developer to change their code to respect your privacy. Its their code. They can do what they want.

We as users should have protections from them attempting to submit information we don't want leaked. To me the solution is better perimeter monitoring and filtering.

While not practical in many situations I would highly recommend filtering all outbound traffic using a new firewall that supports such features (Sophos UTM for one, PfSense for another). Its the only way to know for sure those requests don't get out even when there is a disable option.

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