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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Cross platform developers tools by Microsoft! Great news! MS has some of the best developer tools out there. In my opinion, the only downside has been the dependency on the Windows platform. As a developer, I feel much more comfortable in a Unix environment. This move was unthinkable a decade ago. I'm very glad to see MS moving in this direction. Just because of this announcement I want to start playing with TypeScri…

This move was very thinkable a decade ago. Even two decades. In fact, a good example from 1995: From Wikipedia: The strategy and phrase "embrace, extend and extinguish", was first introduced in the United States v. Microsoft antitrust trial when the vice president of Intel, Steven McGeady, testified[8] that Microsoft vice president Paul Maritz used the phrase in a 1995 meeting with Intel to describe Microsoft's strat…

It seems Microsoft has influenced JavaScript/ES v6 with their TypeScript intermediate language lead by Anders Hejlsberg. Given the vast TypeScript code based that MS wrote for SharePoint 365, Visual Studio Online/Code, etc. it seems more than logical. But, read on:

  BRENDAN [Eich (JavaScript creator)]: Again, TypeScript is 
  smart because it’s embracing and extending. Let’s hope 
  Microsoft doesn’t try to extinguish. That’s the third E.

  JAMISON:  [Laughs]

  BRENDAN:  I don’t think they will. I think they actually 
  bought into JavaScript at some level. And I’ve talked to 
  people like Anders Hejlsberg about this. 
But Brendan Eich answered to my thread by replying to a parent:

  ES6 and the Harmony agenda influenced TypeScript. Where 
  TS went its own way on things like open modules, MS has 
  promised to track the Ecma standard versions ASAP.
  In particular, TS classes were purely an extension to 
  ES6's design, while ES6 was not frozen. There was not 
  feedback the other way, at least not phrased in terms of 
  TS -- the MS folks on TC39 had to make more generalized 
  arguments for changing the draft ES6 spec. 
Maybe after more people know about Visual Studio Code some others share the "German angst" about their common business tactics a bit too. I would prefer if they don't turn JavaScript into C# Trojan horse style. Hopefully things have changed since Satya Nadella took over.

You can read the full thread there, it's just 3 days old: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9442011

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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This editor is built on Atom.

It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.

MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it.

Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

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You're completely lost in your Silicon Valley mindset. Most of the western world still shows up to work and uses Office on Windows. Even in tech, I've seen non-technical workers request PC's just so they can use "real" Office. Office for Mac doesn't cut it. And while it might be good enough for you, it's not for many people who rely on Word, Office, and PowerPoint for work. Oh, and Google Docs is hardly free in the o…

I'm not saying this would happen tomorrow . Microsoft has enough inertia to fire all their developers and just sell the current version of Windows and Office for a long time. Hell, some 30% of computer users in China still use Windows XP . After a few generations raised on smartphones and tablets without any Microsoft apps, Microsoft Office would just be a curiosity their parents used, like Corel Draw or dBase. Fortu…

Still he has a point. Kids will toy around with Google Docs but when push comes to shove when they're hired by PWC or Deloitte, Microsoft Office is where it's at.

Google Docs doesn't hold a candle against it while LibreOffice can barely sneeze in front of it.

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Visual Studio Online "Monaco" code editor from November 14, 2013 seems to be the predecessor: http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll half way down for many screenshots and videos) "This is the Monaco editor component from Erich Gamma's group out of Zurich. It was originally written in JavaScript but gradually rewritten in TypeScript. When Anders speaks about teams within Microsoft bui…

It's not. It's based on Electron: http://electron.atom.io/ (look at the bottom of the page)

Electron is just what lets you run a Node app outside of a browser.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Wow. I seriously don't know what to think anymore. What is their end game? Which platform are they hoping to become / remain dominant in? Don't get me wrong---I'm as happy as the next guy about this. VS is the only tolerable language-dedicated IDE, if they take 25% of their VS engineering mantra to this it will be better than almost anything else. But where does it end? I am clearly so not in touch with my inner mba.…

>Wow. I seriously don't know what to think anymore. What is their end game? Which platform are they hoping to become / remain dominant in?

The .Net plaform that's used by enteprises and devs also in the Unix/OS X world?

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.

Visual Studio Online is basically TFS online. Think github + CI + Kanban board + Issue tracking online.

It's more than that. Scroll half way down on my link above, check out the screenshots and video.

Visual Studio Code is more like an offline version of Visual Studio Online (the editor part), 2 years later.

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Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

Ballmer was good at sales but horrible at running a company. He was perfect before the internet came to be and before the rise of mobile devices. Ballmer, is in fact, what sunk Microsoft for a better part of a decade or more.

Nadella is doing MS good. For one, he understands market dynamics better than Ballmer did and is willing to gamble. As a C# developer of 10 years, this is the first time Microsoft actually "spiced up" their product line. Offering up robust tooling like Visual Studio Community (which is just a free version of Professional) shows me Microsoft is committed to the platform. Now, with Visual Studio Code, it will make my work better since I'm 99% on a Mac these days. The next few months will be interesting. :)

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Linux owns everything else, but Microsoft still own the corporate - and home - desktop. Devs using Linux or Mac are not the majority of users.

I doubt MS owns the home anymore. The number from a few years ago showed college freshmen using Macs by 70%. MS is still corporate-centric in the US, and popular in foreign countries where Apple stores don't exist in large numbers.

Apple is also too expensive, by design, for 80% of the markets in developing countries.
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