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Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by gambiter »

ColinWright wrote: post #69
gambiter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on every aggregator does there have to be 'that guy' who thinks it's somehow his job to dig up duplicate posts? Do you comment on various news sites whenever they post an article that the NYTimes covered? It's just... silly. This is the first time I've seen news about this particular 'country', and I'm glad I saw it this time because it is interesting. Duplicates FTW!

Duplicates will always happen, and as you have pointed out, sometimes there is positive value to that. The idea isn't to avoid duplicates, per se, but to try to ensure that the same discussion doesn't get hashed out again and again in different different, parallel and unconnected threads. There have even been cases[0] where the mods explicitly dipped in and moved comments from one submission to another to avoid the "…

Thank you for your reply. While you said my comment wasn't especially negative, I understand that the first sentence could have been taken that way, and that's probably the reason for the downvotes. It's just that I've seen people yelling 'DUPE' since the first year of Slashdot, and it seems like every site has some who make it their personal mission to rain on OP's parade.

I love the idea of stopping the 'split discussion' issue, but I feel like it's at odds with a site like HN where stories fall off of the front page so quickly. I'm not able to read it all day long, and I rarely look at it in the evenings. Especially when we have articles about potential gaming of the article positions, it seems unrealistic to expect that you would have a chance to actually get the real 'news' at any given point without duplicate posts.

What I mean is, there are certainly more than 30 in-progress topics appealing to HN readers. If I look at the front page in the morning and again in the afternoon, I'm only going to get a small subset of the topics that are out there. That's why I appreciate duplicates so much... it's really the only thing that makes a site like HN relevant to the occasional reader.

Anyway, thanks for supporting me even though I wasn't the most ambassadorial. :)

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by Crito »

toyg wrote: post #107
tim333 wrote: post #54

> 160,000 people want to live there I just put my name down. It's a laugh. I'd probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don't actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar. On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to br…

> I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers If the situation around the Mediterranean does not improve, the EU will be forced to consider such a plan sooner than we might think.

I predict it would turn into nothing more than the worlds largest refugee camp. A humanitarian crisis the size of a country.

Still, better it be done somewhere other than Europe.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by franzpeterstein »

huuu wrote: post #6

I'm sorry to be that guy, but a small note to all webdevs on Hackernews: please make sure to skip all bloated and hip Javascripts. Because not all visitors have the latest and fastest devices. This great article is unfortunately unreadable for me because I can't scroll down.

Javascript ~ Webdev overkill http://robert-tomsons.de/infofiles/00034_Javascript.php

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by ColinWright »

gambiter wrote: post #131
ColinWright wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duplicates will always happen, and as you have pointed out, sometimes there is positive value to that. The idea isn't to avoid duplicates, per se, but to try to ensure that the same discussion doesn't get hashed out again and again in different different, parallel and unconnected threads. There have even been cases[0] where the mods explicitly dipped in and moved comments from one submission to another to avoid the "…

Thank you for your reply. While you said my comment wasn't especially negative, I understand that the first sentence could have been taken that way, and that's probably the reason for the downvotes. It's just that I've seen people yelling 'DUPE' since the first year of Slashdot, and it seems like every site has some who make it their personal mission to rain on OP's parade. I love the idea of stopping the 'split disc…

Just happened to catch your comment in passing, so I'll reply quickly.

It's true that things fall off the front page quickly, but that's why there's a "More" link. It doesn't take long to click through, scan the headlines, and check on the ones that look interesting.

It's also true that things wouldn't fall off the front page if there weren't so many duplications! It's less of a problem now, but I remember occasions when several of the front page submissions were all about the same thing, each with their own conversation, and preventing other topics from making it.

And as you say, at any given moment there are likely to be more than 30 "in progress" topics in the tech world, so the only solution is clicking through to see those items ranked 31 to 60, and 61 to 90. There is nothing else you can do. In part that's why I think it's important and relevant to link related conversations/submissions. Duplications will happen, items will fall off (or never make) the front page, so the best we can hope for is coherent discussions.

Hope that makes things clearer. Now I'm off to do some work. Cheers.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by zo1 »

collyw wrote: post #93
elmar wrote: post #88

The defining conception of the state is a monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force, also known as the monopoly on violence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

What about anarchist states? Does that make them an oxymoron?

That's a misuse of the word, I'd say. "Anarchy" was usurped to somehow describe some sort of "violent" lack of rule/order. I.e. Riots, mobs, looting, Molotov cocktails, you name it. Very unfortunate indeed.

Even now, the official definition is "a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority." Though, the origin is: "...from anarkhos, from an- ‘without’ + arkhos ‘chief, ruler.’"

At least, when used properly as a qualifier to a system of government (or lack thereof), it has much much better connotations associated with it. Though, again, that depends on who you ask and which type of "anarchy" you're describing. You get ridiculously odd ones such as "anarcho-communism".

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by zo1 »

nivertech wrote: post #101

They should do something similar to Andorra. Every odd year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Belgrade. And every even year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Zagreb. As you already guessed, I propose them to adopt Bitcoin as a national currency ;)

>"As you already guessed, I propose them to adopt Bitcoin as a national currency ;)"

It already is, from what I can tell. As "official" as you can get at this point.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by s73v3r »

tinco wrote: post #55
k__ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.

That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…

"Imagine if from those 160.000 signups they could get 5.000 people to pay $1000 in taxes per year"

Wasn't the point of founding this country to get away from taxes? How ironic

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by s73v3r »

elmar wrote: post #88

The defining conception of the state is a monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force, also known as the monopoly on violence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

No, it's not. And this is why no one ever takes you guys seriously.

Re: This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

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Post by dragonwriter »

crocowhile wrote: post #17
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #3

Nice stunt, but without an army and/or international recognition it will never be a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed...

GP said "without an army and/or international recognition". None of the countries on that list lack international recognition (and most have not only recognition, but treaties outsourcing defense responsibility to some other country -- often the United States -- so they have an army committed to protecting them, its just someone else's army.)

And some of them (even under the "no armed forces") list actually have a military from the descriptions there, its just a reserve military, an armed police force officially designated to serve military/defense functions, or, in the case of the State of Vatican City, the military of the entity -- the Holy See -- to which the state is itself subordinate.

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