101–110 of 157 posts
Every odd year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Belgrade.
And every even year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Zagreb.
As you already guessed, I propose them to adopt Bitcoin as a national currency ;)
This country is also on the verge of having its first war. The Liberland flag has already been removed by another micro-nation that claims to have laid claim on the land just over a month earlier: http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173 Unfortunately, the Paraduin people seem a bit nutty to me. An excerpt from their constitution, which is in Dutch: "Paraduin is een monarchie. De titel van de monarch is prins(es), voluit Prins(…
I've always found the similarities between Dutch and English fascinating. I can actually understand that!
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Something like this happend to this oilrig land "sealand". People think it's easy to found your own country. Just find unclaimed space and be done with it. But there are many rich people out in the world who would hire armies to kill for such a spot.
That's a very good point. Obviously the only way any country can be bootstrapped is with military power. If Liberland is serious they should immediately engage Paraduin with a show of force. Secondly, I think the best course of action would be to secure funding for buying a protectorate like situation with either Croatia or Serbia. Though I don't know what the political consequences of such a situation would be. Imag…
Not sure they appreciate the concept of shared expenses though, from their objectives "a country where honest people can prosper without being oppressed by governments making their lives unpleasant through the burden of unnecessary restrictions and taxes.".
> 160,000 people want to live there I just put my name down. It's a laugh. I'd probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don't actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar. On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to br…
Micro nations are not new, and they are almost never successful [1]. They are ripe for fraud: selling passports, fraudulent government bank, etc. In the event that they pick up any traction, they are swallowed by their neighbors with real armies (eg. Minerva), and the rest of the world sighs with relief. An interesting example of one that is still officially around, also claims land in Croatia, and exists just for fr…
Agreed, but why should the "rest of the world sighs with relief"? Existing government is sub-optimal and competition tends to increase quality. Is there a special property of government service that makes this principle fail here?
Government is not a product or service. It doesn't follow market rules. Heck, who enforces market norms when at anytime you can send out warships and conquer everyone?
If anything, we have way many small governments that often must bow down to the regional power and become de facto client states with limited autonomy and almost no ability to fight off the regional power if it thinks you've offended it in any way. Ukraine is getting a lesson in how little autonomy they have when they're so close to an aggressive regional power. Just because you are recognized as a country doesn't mean you enjoy the autonomy a country should. Smaller nations are just going to be under the thumb more than larger nations who can put up a proper military deterrent.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like killing the only security officer in a country would probably be the end of the war.. Most of the expressions of interest I've seen are explicitly because people think they'll be able to stop paying taxes so I'm curious what kind of voluntary funds they would be able to raise.
I think the point was that killing a Serbian military officer would start a war with Serbia. Of course, the challenging part would be convincing Serbia to back the scheme; if Serbia was going to defend the territory they'd be more likely to claim it themselves.
To be fair, I'm a Serb and I fully welcome Liberland. Since the two neighbors cannot decide on their boundaries, I do not see why anyone else cannot take a no-mans land. The issue is that we must define our borders sooner or later, and I am afraid there will be no more space for Liberland. But, that will be Croatia's business then, I hope :D .
> 160,000 people want to live there I just put my name down. It's a laugh. I'd probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don't actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar. On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to br…
If the situation around the Mediterranean does not improve, the EU will be forced to consider such a plan sooner than we might think.
The defining conception of the state is a monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force, also known as the monopoly on violence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
What about anarchist states? Does that make them an oxymoron?
A state based on anarchy is an oxymoron.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the point was that killing a Serbian military officer would start a war with Serbia. Of course, the challenging part would be convincing Serbia to back the scheme; if Serbia was going to defend the territory they'd be more likely to claim it themselves.
Serbia has no intention to claim this territory whatsoever. Serbia treats the Danube as the border and that is it. The new Danube stream that is, the one now dividing the two countries. There is an old Danube stream which is almost completely gone decades ago, and Croatia considers it its border. The reason is that there are some other inversely interweaving parts which are pretty and maybe a nice tourist attraction…
This also makes it unlikely that either would act as a guarantor of the independence of a new sovereignty that sought to establish itself on the land, or even to recognize such a sovereignty.