I've set up cygwin with an OpenSSH server on Windows before (to run remote MinGW compiles). Echoing Bill Gates, "In a weak sense, it [NT] is a form of Unix."
That doesn't really cover remote management, though.
Microsoft Announces Nano Server
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Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server
#62Oh. Microsoft reimplemented Unix, at last. Congratulations :-)
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#63What is the use-case for this? Modern Linux distros have all the tooling, libraries, utilities already - is the idea to use this for hosting .Net stuff?
Running stuff that requires Windows.
Well obviously - this just seems to be creeping into the space where Linux is an incumbent anyway and I can't see anyone who's running common OSS stacks wanting to use this in favor of Linux based platforms.
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No, there's a lot of confusion from bad messaging with the Pi 2 and Windows 10 announcement. By all reports Win 10 on the Pi 2 is a system to run services that have no GUI, desktop, or other UI.
Is that actually true? MS has demoed Windows IoT with a UI on minimal devices already. Both ARM and x86. I don't know if the dragonboard 410c is in a different class than the pi2 however. Take a look on Don Box's presentation at WinHEC from last month. Device talk stats about ~40 mins, device demo starts at ~44 mins. http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/WinHEC/2015/Developing-for-t...
See Ben from the Raspberry Pi foundation's response here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8983801 Sadly there really hasn't been any update or good info on what Win 10 on the Pi 2 will be yet.
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#65--92 percent fewer critical bulletins --80 percent fewer reboots Compared to what a barebones Linux install (Say... a Docker instance)? I can easily shut off a service in Linux. And I can turn it on. The only reboot needed is for the Kernel itself, and that is soon changing. What I'm reading here is that MS is most of the way there to Linux.
net start [service name] net stop [service name]
Actually I tend to use sc start/stop for that, but .. should be the same.
Important utilities:
- findstr ('grep') - sc (control services) - taskkill (kill/control processes) - netsh (everything network) - wevtutil (windows event log)
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> The 2008 R2 development system we have needs to be rebooted every two weeks, on average, due to Windows Updates that require a reboot. Uhh they literally don't release updates that often, so you'll have to explain that one to us... > Updates come in almost every day for CentOS and I only need to reboot once ever couple of months for new kernels. Windows doesn't support hotpatching, Linux does, it really is as simpl…
>Uhh they literally don't release updates that often, so you'll have to explain that one to us... Microsoft most certainly releases reboot updates more often than the once a month patch Tuesday. I'm not sure if they apply to the OP's specific system, Win2008 R2, but I am rebooting my various computers more than once a month. My system's update history shows two fixes around Mar 27 (KB2976978 and KB3048778) and one of…
You're conflating Windows 8 and Windows Server, the two updates you specifically noted are Windows 8 updates.
The first one is a Windows 10 pre-checker (KB2976978), so zero chance of Windows Server getting it, and the second one (KB3048778) isn't a critical update (solves a minor Explorer bug) so would have to be manually installed.
You likely have "Give me Recommended updates the way I receive important updates" checked in the Windows Update GPO/applet and also just seem to think there is no difference on how Windows Server and Windows Desktop are patched (which there is, massively).
A Server 2012 box I happen to have open, has restart events that are corresponding with patch Tuesdays but months are often skipped. You'd likely see a little more if you weren't using Server Core, but nothing like the number you're describing. The thing doesn't even install updates between monthly pushes.
I'm seeing approx. 4-5 a year. Which is still much higher than Linux, but nothing like Windows Desktop.
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I'm not a ssh expert (I live in the MS world), but powershell remote sessions (PSSession) seems like what you are talking about here... it's like running in a powershell window on a remote machine.
I'm not too confident powershell is really good enough to compete with the ancient unix shell. I've tried using it to automate windows machines, but it's certainly not a smooth experience. Part of that is the lack of a history of automation - basic things to do with processes and I/O are kind of schizophrenic. All of the basics are clearly unix inspired (standard streams, processes, redirection - this is all unix-lik…
Agreed on most of your points... PowerShell is by far the most powerful shell I've ever worked with on any platform... that said, I don't like it. It's very verbose.
As a JS guy, these days most of my scripts run via node/iojs and are as platform agnostic as possible. More and more I know it only needs to run in linux, or is guiding dockerization. Even then, bash scripts tend to be easier to reason about.
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SSH access to PowerShell would be a game changer IMHO for Microsoft. Also, have you seen this? http://www.powershellserver.com/download/
I don't know if it exists the other way around or not, but it would be really nice if Windows had a built in SSH client as well. I can't tell you how many times I've been working on a client's Windows Server machine and needed to remote into a Linux server, but neither I nor they had access to download Putty.
Agreed... I generally wind up with git extensions everywhere which includes most of the gnu tools including ssh. The only down side is that ssh via windows command shell, even in conemu doesn't do ansi/drawing properly... never really investigated as I just try to avoid it all.
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#69Oh. Microsoft reimplemented Unix, at last. Congratulations :-)
Umm... Haven't you ever heard of Xenix?
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I'm not a ssh expert (I live in the MS world), but powershell remote sessions (PSSession) seems like what you are talking about here... it's like running in a powershell window on a remote machine.
I'm not too confident powershell is really good enough to compete with the ancient unix shell. I've tried using it to automate windows machines, but it's certainly not a smooth experience. Part of that is the lack of a history of automation - basic things to do with processes and I/O are kind of schizophrenic. All of the basics are clearly unix inspired (standard streams, processes, redirection - this is all unix-lik…
PowerShell is far more usable than sh or even bash as a scripting language. It's more like perl or python were integrated into a nice little command processor, since you can use all the .net libs (though not without some irritating effort). The problem is the cmd host is garbage, the utilities aren't burned into people's brains like the unix ones are, and they have weird Windows specific issues, like not being able to fork off a subprocess.