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Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by UK-AL »

chadzawistowski wrote: post #47
UK-AL wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need this. You just need Enter-PSSession [ipaddress], which allows you to interact with it like ssh. You need to enable powershell remoting first though.

Sort of. Enter-PSSession is backed by http or https [1] and is not as good as ssh. You can interact with PowerShell, but you can't interact with command-line programs launched from PS. [1] Grep for "http" on this page: http://ss64.com/ps/enter-pssession.html

Most stuff I use have PS cmdlets so its not really an issue with me.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by kefka »

cies wrote: post #40

From this announcement: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/08/microsoft-unveils... I read: > Nano Server provides just the components you need – nothing else And that's exactly what I do not trust MS with. With a well documented history of backdoor ridden bloat ware products it is not quite the company that I accept any non-opensource release to have "just what I need and nothing else". Though I must admit that…

That's fine. Then this release (and frankly, any MS product) is not for you.

But some enterprises use MS software, and this is a much needed option.

ObVote: I downvoted your complaint imaginary internet points has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by nailer »

Someone1234 wrote: post #13

Microsoft has a real hole in their stack in my opinion... So on Linux you have SSH (for shell) and X11 Forwarding/VNC for GUI remoting. On Windows you have RDP for GUI and nothing for remote shell. Now, I know what you're going to say, "WMI" but WMI was never designed for use over the internet. You have to forward two fixed ports and a dynamic range (shudder). Plus it isn't security hardened either by design or throu…

http://www.powershellserver.com/

MS should really include something like this in Windows.

Hell, I (or you) should find the time and write it ourselves, node.js has great TLS support and has a Windows port.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by csours »

recursive wrote: post #44
mattbillenstein wrote: post #43

What is the use-case for this? Modern Linux distros have all the tooling, libraries, utilities already - is the idea to use this for hosting .Net stuff?

Running stuff that requires Windows.

I think the point is that "Windows" is pretty thin with this server. If there's no GUI available that sounds like there will be no USER32 (good riddance btw); and if there's no USER32, many "Windows" programs won't work.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by anoother »

useerup wrote: post #41
Someone1234 wrote: post #13

Microsoft has a real hole in their stack in my opinion... So on Linux you have SSH (for shell) and X11 Forwarding/VNC for GUI remoting. On Windows you have RDP for GUI and nothing for remote shell. Now, I know what you're going to say, "WMI" but WMI was never designed for use over the internet. You have to forward two fixed ports and a dynamic range (shudder). Plus it isn't security hardened either by design or throu…

You are ignoring Windows Remote Management, Microsofts implementation of the WBEM standard protocol for remote management of devices. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384426(v=vs.85).a... "Windows Remote Management (WinRM) is the Microsoft implementation of WS-Management Protocol, a standard Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP)-based, firewall-friendly protocol that allows hardware and operating systems, fr…

Have you ever tried using wsman? It is not fun.

And, being SOAP-based, it's certainly nothing like a command-line.

But most of all, it's not fun.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by cies »

kefka wrote: post #52
cies wrote: post #40

From this announcement: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/08/microsoft-unveils... I read: > Nano Server provides just the components you need – nothing else And that's exactly what I do not trust MS with. With a well documented history of backdoor ridden bloat ware products it is not quite the company that I accept any non-opensource release to have "just what I need and nothing else". Though I must admit that…

That's fine. Then this release (and frankly, any MS product) is not for you. But some enterprises use MS software, and this is a much needed option. ObVote: I downvoted your complaint imaginary internet points has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

> Then this release (and frankly, any MS product) is not for you.

I've certainly re-considered dotNet after it got open sourced recently! It (finally) seemed like a reasonable proposition -- as I explain in my post BTW.

But indeed, Windows, and especially Windows-closed-source-on-a-server, is not my cup of tea. And I don't understand how it could be anyone's tea.

> But some enterprises use MS software

Sure, and this is a start-up forum. :)

Anyway, I upvoted your post for taking the trouble to explain your downvote. Thanks.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by algorithmsRcool »

tdicola wrote: post #35
Zikes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I believe their RPi version is a lightweight consumer-facing version of Windows 8, not intended for use as a server.

No, there's a lot of confusion from bad messaging with the Pi 2 and Windows 10 announcement. By all reports Win 10 on the Pi 2 is a system to run services that have no GUI, desktop, or other UI.

Is that actually true? MS has demoed Windows IoT with a UI on minimal devices already. Both ARM and x86. I don't know if the dragonboard 410c is in a different class than the pi2 however.

Take a look on Don Box's presentation at WinHEC from last month. Device talk stats about ~40 mins, device demo starts at ~44 mins.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/WinHEC/2015/Developing-for-t...

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by cies »

cies wrote: post #46
cies wrote: post #40

From this announcement: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/08/microsoft-unveils... I read: > Nano Server provides just the components you need – nothing else And that's exactly what I do not trust MS with. With a well documented history of backdoor ridden bloat ware products it is not quite the company that I accept any non-opensource release to have "just what I need and nothing else". Though I must admit that…

Please down voter(s), leave a note.. :)

Even my "request for down vote explanation" gets down voted! Hilarious...

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by algorithmsRcool »

anoother wrote: post #55
useerup wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are ignoring Windows Remote Management, Microsofts implementation of the WBEM standard protocol for remote management of devices. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384426(v=vs.85).a... "Windows Remote Management (WinRM) is the Microsoft implementation of WS-Management Protocol, a standard Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP)-based, firewall-friendly protocol that allows hardware and operating systems, fr…

Have you ever tried using wsman? It is not fun. And, being SOAP-based, it's certainly nothing like a command-line. But most of all, it's not fun.

I've used winrm for some VM config scripts. The ps script would clone a VM from a base image, boot it, then remote into it to config network and other things.

It was a bit arcane to set up but mainly it was slow, like, really slow. All the SOAP serialization is terrible for performance but it is flexible and it did work.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by algorithmsRcool »

Someone1234 wrote: post #9
brixon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope it will cost a lot less. Might interesting for the C# people to use non-Azure clouds more if the costs are more inline with Linux based systems.

With MVC moving to a Linux compatible infrastructure in the next version, it may be too little too late, and C# people might just use Linux for real. Literally the only C# "thing" which won't run on Linux is Visual Studio itself. Heck we might even see a Linux Powershell version here in the next few years.

Not quite, WPF and winforms are still out in the cold along with some other things.

But for sever-side code, .net core + asp.net will get the job done.

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