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Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by brk » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:37 PM UTC

scott_karana wrote: post #5

I'm interested in what the licensing will be like, compared to "larger" editions.

IMO the licensing needs to be free and very simple. For me, this has always been one of the HUGE benefits of linux. If I have an idea I can spin up a full server stack (OS, SQL, HTTPD, etc.) for $0 (outside of hardware/hosting).

With linux there is no friction you need to overcome in determining if the cost of trying something out is worth the financial side.

The elastic hosting options take away a lot of this, but there is still (to me at least) this mental barrier to Windows in knowing that I might run into licensing costs or administration issues before I determine if the project itself is worth said cost.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by Zikes » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

jjmiv wrote: post #4

ComputerGuru wrote: post #2

I'm guessing this is going to be very similar to what Microsoft has in mind for the Raspberry-Pi?

I think it leans more toward CoreOS and Kubernetes.

Yeah, I believe their RPi version is a lightweight consumer-facing version of Windows 8, not intended for use as a server.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by tdicola » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:53 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #2

I'm guessing this is going to be very similar to what Microsoft has in mind for the Raspberry-Pi?

No, look at their Windows IoT platform: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/windows-developer-pro...

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by UK-AL » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:53 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

sixothree wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are improving remote manageability via PowerShell with Desired State Configuration as well as remote file transfer, remote script authoring and remote debugging Is PowerShell not what you're looking for, or is it not implemented similar to SSH?

Remote Powershell exists, but you don't have a great deal of control over the Powershell interface (like you would with an SSH daemon), if you want to "opt-in" users one by one for remote Powershell, well, you cannot. Also setting it up to work over the internet securely is, a touch complicated: http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/09/17/wan... It is a cool party trick that it can work via a web-browser…

Just getting it to work with shell, and no web browser access is a lot simpler than that.

A few lines. See my reply at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9343060

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by tdicola » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:54 PM UTC

Zikes wrote: post #32

jjmiv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it leans more toward CoreOS and Kubernetes.

Yeah, I believe their RPi version is a lightweight consumer-facing version of Windows 8, not intended for use as a server.

No, there's a lot of confusion from bad messaging with the Pi 2 and Windows 10 announcement. By all reports Win 10 on the Pi 2 is a system to run services that have no GUI, desktop, or other UI.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by Zikes » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:57 PM UTC

tdicola wrote: post #35

Zikes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I believe their RPi version is a lightweight consumer-facing version of Windows 8, not intended for use as a server.

No, there's a lot of confusion from bad messaging with the Pi 2 and Windows 10 announcement. By all reports Win 10 on the Pi 2 is a system to run services that have no GUI, desktop, or other UI.

Wow, no UI? That radically changes my expectations for Windows+Pi 2, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by mkr-hn » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 7:58 PM UTC

kefka wrote: post #21

--92 percent fewer critical bulletins --80 percent fewer reboots Compared to what a barebones Linux install (Say... a Docker instance)? I can easily shut off a service in Linux. And I can turn it on. The only reboot needed is for the Kernel itself, and that is soon changing. What I'm reading here is that MS is most of the way there to Linux.

net start [service name]

net stop [service name]

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by andreser » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 8:03 PM UTC

https://github.com/andres-erbsen/dename uses a less flexible federated consensus to build a namecoin-like system without proof of work (or stake, or anything).

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by darrenkopp » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 8:03 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #13

Microsoft has a real hole in their stack in my opinion... So on Linux you have SSH (for shell) and X11 Forwarding/VNC for GUI remoting. On Windows you have RDP for GUI and nothing for remote shell. Now, I know what you're going to say, "WMI" but WMI was never designed for use over the internet. You have to forward two fixed ports and a dynamic range (shudder). Plus it isn't security hardened either by design or throu…

I'm not a ssh expert (I live in the MS world), but powershell remote sessions (PSSession) seems like what you are talking about here... it's like running in a powershell window on a remote machine.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by cies » Wed, Apr 08, 2015, 8:16 PM UTC

From this announcement:

http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/08/microsoft-unveils...

I read:

> Nano Server provides just the components you need – nothing else

And that's exactly what I do not trust MS with.

With a well documented history of backdoor ridden bloat ware products it is not quite the company that I accept any non-opensource release to have "just what I need and nothing else".

Though I must admit that the opensource train they are riding lately allows me to look at them them from a very new perspective. But still, MS if you are listening: if it is not opensource, I do not trust you!