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Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by marpstar »

zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

I'm one of them. Figured that Apple was the only company who could pull off a smartwatch I'd actually use, but then saw the Pebble Time and its $169 Kickstarter price-point. The battery and the waterproofing were enough to get me to preorder the Time and get a used original Pebble in the mean time to try out.

After a week with the Pebble, what's noticeably missing is the ability to reply to SMS. Because of iOS restrictions on third-party apps and SMS, the Pebble can't do it without jailbreaking.

It was pretty upsetting when I came to this realization, also realizing that the Pebble Time and it's nifty new microphone would also lack this functionality. With the Pebble lacking Siri integration, I can see myself picking up an Apple Watch once the battery can last at least two full days.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by Decade »

freehunter wrote: post #27
ntumlin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had no idea that was in there. That's what I get for not reading the ToS. How does Section XIV, sentence 8 work? Does it have any legal standing at all?

The way he mischaracterized it, no. If its illegal, it's illegal, and no contract is valid when it forces someone to do something illegal. The way it's actually worded, yes, most contracts will specify this. The way it's actually worded really means "if a certain part of this agreement is found to be invalid, the other (still valid) parts are still enforceable. Basically, if part of the contract is void, you can't vo…

It's very common to include the "other provisions hereof shall remain in full force" clause. I'm fine with that. But this is the first time I've seen "the court should endeavor to give effect to the parties' intentions as reflected in the provision," and I don't like the uncertainty about that, especially given my objection to Section II paragraph 2.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by wvenable »

Decade wrote: post #13
zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…

I completely and obviously violated their SDK terms of service and for that they sent me a few T-shirts and other Pebble swag.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by Decade »

lfowles wrote: post #24
Decade wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…

Without the benefit of your rather uncharitable summarization: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2 : You may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to obtain or access the source code from which any component of the Services or the Service is compiled or interpreted, and nothing in this Agreement may be construed to grant any right to obtain or use such source code. Section II, paragraph 2,…

Wrong sentences.

Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2:

You may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to obtain or access the source code from which any component of the Services or the Service is compiled or interpreted, and nothing in this Agreement may be construed to grant any right to obtain or use such source code.

Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 3:

You agree not to copy, duplicate or imitate, in whole or in part, any concept, idea, business model, business process, product, service or other intellectual property or other ideas or content embodied in the Services or learned by you from your use of or access to the Services.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by superdude »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

"Delivers very poorly"

It doesn't even get released for another 3 weeks!

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by superdude »

Someone1234 wrote: post #23
diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

I completely agree. I'd take this new Pebble Time or the Moto 360 as an "Apple Watch" over what Apple actually produced. To be honest the Apple Watch looks about as clunky as Samsung's attempts (Galaxy Gear) but Samsung shipped a year and a half before Apple, and Motorola about a six months. I admire Apple's advertising machine, they can sell anything. I think the Apple Watch proves that point. A $350 ($100 more than…

You think the Pebble Time has a better design than the Apple Watch? The Pebble looks pretty similar but with a bigger bezel. The Apple Watch doesn't go on sale until April 24.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by mladenkovacevic »

jeromegv wrote: post #29
diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

Did you conclude the battery life and the interface was non intuitive after trying it?

daily charging < weekly charging

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by sp332 »

UniZero wrote: post #18
djloche wrote: post #8

They didn't need to release through Kickstarter, but this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority (backers get their Pebble Time watches before it goes to retail). It is also a huge marketing success in getting their brand out there. They properly framed themselves as the underdog with a superior product vs Apple.

this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority The Kickstarter page says the standard watch will cost $199 retail - yet the official website is advertising it for $99 | https://getpebble.com/shop Am I misunderstanding something here?

Pebble ($99, plastic) and Pebble Steel ($199, newer and shinier but basically the same) are already available. The Kickstarter was for Pebble Time (will be $199) and Pebble Time Steel (will be $299), which have color interfaces but are compatible with all the old apps. They have also promised that the new interface will be ported back to the old Pebbles, but that hasn't shipped yet.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by lfowles »

Decade wrote: post #34
lfowles wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without the benefit of your rather uncharitable summarization: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2 : You may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to obtain or access the source code from which any component of the Services or the Service is compiled or interpreted, and nothing in this Agreement may be construed to grant any right to obtain or use such source code. Section II, paragraph 2,…

Wrong sentences. Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: You may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to obtain or access the source code from which any component of the Services or the Service is compiled or interpreted, and nothing in this Agreement may be construed to grant any right to obtain or use such source code. Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 3: You agree not to copy, duplicate o…

Thanks, I'll fix that. I figured if I had miscounted any of them, it would have been the section XIV one.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by joshstrange »

zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

I pre-ordered a pebble time but canceled it after the Apple Watch reveal. Here are my reasons:

1. The Apple watch will integrate leaps and bound better than my Pebble (I REGULARLY have to forget each device on the other and re-pair the BT to get notifications to work again, this has gotten worse as of late)

2. Mic AND SPEAKER on the Apple Watch (I want to talk into my wrist and get response from my watch for both Siri and Calls not just a todo app)

3. More apps, let's not kid ourselves, the Apple Watch will have more and better quality apps than the Pebble (or Android wear for that matter)

4. Resale, Apple products have amazing resale value so upgrading is less expensive than with other products in my experience

5. I think the Apple Watch looks nicer than the Pebble

I bought a Pebble Steel and have had it for over a year now and I love it. It's what caused me to back the KS right away, I believe in smart watches. That said the notifications just randomly stopping working drives me insane. It's gotten worse as of late and when it causes me to miss a text or a call then it stops being a useful tool. I have worn my watch every day since I got it and can't imagine life without a smart watch but I will be getting the Apple Watch because if it only work %X of the time then it's near useless to me. The battery life doesn't matter to me, as long as I can make it through the day then I'm good. I charge my phone nightly so it's no skin off my nose to charge my watch. I don't currently but I've considered charging my Pebble nightly but I worry it will negatively affect the battery. I want to charge it nightly so that it's a habit and not a constant "Do I need to charge this tonight or should I wait a few more days" which leads to me forgetting to check from time to time and then having to sit at my desk at work with the charger cable plugged in until it's at 100%.

I like Pebble and it will always hold a special place in my heart. Hell, maybe if I used Android I wouldn't have these issues but I don't and I do so I will be getting the Apple Watch.

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