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Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by azernik »

UniZero wrote: post #18
djloche wrote: post #8

They didn't need to release through Kickstarter, but this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority (backers get their Pebble Time watches before it goes to retail). It is also a huge marketing success in getting their brand out there. They properly framed themselves as the underdog with a superior product vs Apple.

this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority The Kickstarter page says the standard watch will cost $199 retail - yet the official website is advertising it for $99 | https://getpebble.com/shop Am I misunderstanding something here?

That's $99 for the two-year-old first version of the watch. The Pebble Time will likely cost much more at retail.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by azernik »

zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

For me, the Moto 360 was my equivalent - it's beautiful, and more closely tied in to my preferred platform, but the battery life and performance are quite bad.

And then I saw that Pebble has Android Wear integration (because Google is not-all-that-awful and made Wear an API that is easy to plug into) and I was sold.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by Someone1234 »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

I completely agree. I'd take this new Pebble Time or the Moto 360 as an "Apple Watch" over what Apple actually produced.

To be honest the Apple Watch looks about as clunky as Samsung's attempts (Galaxy Gear) but Samsung shipped a year and a half before Apple, and Motorola about a six months.

I admire Apple's advertising machine, they can sell anything. I think the Apple Watch proves that point. A $350 ($100 more than anyone else) fugly watch that was behind its competitors even before it shipped.

Does anyone here actually own one? What do you think?

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by lfowles »

Decade wrote: post #13
zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…

Without the benefit of your rather uncharitable summarization:

Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2:

You may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to obtain or access the source code from which any component of the Services or the Service is compiled or interpreted, and nothing in this Agreement may be construed to grant any right to obtain or use such source code.

Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 3:

You agree not to copy, duplicate or imitate, in whole or in part, any concept, idea, business model, business process, product, service or other intellectual property or other ideas or content embodied in the Services or learned by you from your use of or access to the Services.

Section III, paragraph 2, point 12:

12. portray Company or its affiliates in a negative manner or otherwise portray its services in a false, misleading, derogatory or offensive manner;

Section III, paragraph 2, point 13:

13. use the Services in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair our servers or interfere with any other party's use and enjoyment of the Services;

Section XIV, sentence 8:

If any provision of this Agreement is found by a court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the parties nevertheless agree that the court should endeavor to give effect to the parties' intentions as reflected in the provision, and the other provisions hereof shall remain in full force and effect.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by funkyy »

zyxley wrote: post #4

I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.

I think you meant 8 hours of real use...

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Post by DannoHung »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

Pish-posh. How can you complain about the screen not always being on and it not being good for swimming and then refer to Jobs trimming the superflous?

Don't you remember when the iPhone came out? No keyboard! Harumph! It only has a battery life of one day! Harumph! No flash! Harumph!

I mean, do you remember how much of the web was in flash in 2007?

Also, do you remember what was essential about a cellular phone in 2007? It was essential that you make calls and send sms.

That is not what is essential about a cellular phone today. Telling time may not be what is essential about a watch tomorrow.

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Post by freehunter »

ntumlin wrote: post #16
Decade wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…

I had no idea that was in there. That's what I get for not reading the ToS. How does Section XIV, sentence 8 work? Does it have any legal standing at all?

The way he mischaracterized it, no. If its illegal, it's illegal, and no contract is valid when it forces someone to do something illegal.

The way it's actually worded, yes, most contracts will specify this. The way it's actually worded really means "if a certain part of this agreement is found to be invalid, the other (still valid) parts are still enforceable. Basically, if part of the contract is void, you can't void the entire contract.

I would hope people can recognize that the way Decade portrays the contract is not the way it's actually worded.

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by Shivetya »

DannoHung wrote: post #26
diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

Pish-posh. How can you complain about the screen not always being on and it not being good for swimming and then refer to Jobs trimming the superflous? Don't you remember when the iPhone came out? No keyboard! Harumph! It only has a battery life of one day! Harumph! No flash! Harumph! I mean, do you remember how much of the web was in flash in 2007? Also, do you remember what was essential about a cellular phone in 2…

Essential apparently is gold tinting to gold plating. It should have been evident from the iPhone 5 series that Apple went in full force for the pretentious crowd by issue a gold colored iPhone. The Apple Watch emphasizes style and style choices more than any other feature.

So while I will happily keep my iPhone, iMac, and my parents their iPads, I see no reason to buy a product built for style more so than functionality and engineering excellence. Anyone can make a big watch, probably only Apple can sell it at a price that should make most people flinch

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Post by jeromegv »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself. Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetoo…

Did you conclude the battery life and the interface was non intuitive after trying it?

Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter

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Post by wlesieutre »

Shivetya wrote: post #28
DannoHung wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pish-posh. How can you complain about the screen not always being on and it not being good for swimming and then refer to Jobs trimming the superflous? Don't you remember when the iPhone came out? No keyboard! Harumph! It only has a battery life of one day! Harumph! No flash! Harumph! I mean, do you remember how much of the web was in flash in 2007? Also, do you remember what was essential about a cellular phone in 2…

Essential apparently is gold tinting to gold plating. It should have been evident from the iPhone 5 series that Apple went in full force for the pretentious crowd by issue a gold colored iPhone. The Apple Watch emphasizes style and style choices more than any other feature. So while I will happily keep my iPhone, iMac, and my parents their iPads, I see no reason to buy a product built for style more so than functiona…

Kind of like you stopped buying Apple products when the iMac came out in different colors in 1999, instead of just beige? And the iPod Mini in 2004? And the iPod Nano, iPod Shuffle, and black MacBook in 2006?

Basically one product line or another continuously for the last 16 years?

A device can be useful and come in multiple colors. The aluminum one doesn't magically stop working as well.

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