This is old news already. And this is the second shoddy C|NET article on the front page today (the other one being the quantum mechanics article). Seems kind of fishy to me!
Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
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Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman What facet of being "true" crowdfunding did they not satisfy?
1) They easily could have raised all the capital they needed 2) They're already a successful company
1) Crowdfunded dollars are better than VC dollars.
2) Most large crowdfunding campaigns are from already successful companies.
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#13I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.
For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens.
Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order.
In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]:
Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer anything in the Pebble,
Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 3: Do not learn from Pebble to create anything,
Section III, paragraph 2, point 12: Do not say bad things about Pebble,
Section III, paragraph 2, point 13: Do not overload the Pebble servers, even accidentally,
and Section XIV, sentence 8: If the terms of service are illegal, then act like they are legal anyway.
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman What facet of being "true" crowdfunding did they not satisfy?
It's in blatant violation of kickstarters rules, and was probably set up as the result of a partnership with kickstarter. Kickstarter knew that the return of pebble would be lucrative for them, and pebble knew that by using kickstarter they'd continue to wear the facade of a small fledgeling grassroots company (and while they're the underdog relative to their competition from LG, Samsung, Motorola and Apple, they're…
I think kickstarter modified those rules when they announced Launch Now: https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/introducing-launch-now-and-...
Now companies can just use it as an advertising platform to generate publicity, even if they have to give up a slice of revenue to kickstarter.
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#15Is that really a fair comparison? The Pebble Time kickstarter campaign was just a pre-order portal in disguise --- it wasn't really a "true" crowdfunding campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman What facet of being "true" crowdfunding did they not satisfy?
From the article you linked:
> No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.
That clearly did not occur in this comment thread.
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#16I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.
For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…
I had no idea that was in there. That's what I get for not reading the ToS.
How does Section XIV, sentence 8 work? Does it have any legal standing at all?
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#17It is ironic how Pebble looks a lot more like an Apple product than the AppleWatch itself.
Apple made a product that aligns with its long term strategies but delivers very poorly the most fundamental and essential functionality. The AppleWatch has short battery life, its screen is not always on, is not waterproof, its interface is not intuitive... And what we get in return? You can send your heartbeat through bluetooth and has lots of cool straps.
It reminds me the feature-bloated products that Microsoft used to make. They'd do everything but fail at the essential.
One thing Jobs was famous for was trimming the superfluous in order to get the essential well done. It is clear that the AppleWatch could get a lot from Jobs.
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#18They didn't need to release through Kickstarter, but this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority (backers get their Pebble Time watches before it goes to retail). It is also a huge marketing success in getting their brand out there. They properly framed themselves as the underdog with a superior product vs Apple.
this was a nice gesture from Pebble to offer their products to Kickstarter backers at a discount and priority
The Kickstarter page says the standard watch will cost $199 retail - yet the official website is advertising it for $99 | https://getpebble.com/shop
Am I misunderstanding something here?
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#19I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.
For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…
The term you use, "illegal" is not the same as "invalid"
Re: Pebble has recaptured the top spot for most-funded project on Kickstarter
#20I honestly wonder how many of the Pebble Time backers are people who initially got hyped up over the Apple Watch, then decided they didn't want to deal with a watch with only 18 hours battery life.
For me, it was because Pebble created a reputation as a hacker-friendly watch, as opposed to Apple and Google's closed gardens. Then I looked more into the Pebble, and discovered that it's a closed garden every bit as restrictive as Apple and Google, only with more distance between the walls. So, I canceled my order. In particular, from the Terms of Use[0]: Section II, paragraph 2, sentence 2: Do not reverse-engineer…
IMHO one of the greatest current problems in computing is how to have openness and freedom on a platform without sacrificing user experience or letting it turn into malware hell. The walled gardens are walled to keep out the riff raff -- or at least the benefit of doing this is why vendors can get away with it. If there were no benefits, the market would reject this.