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Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Salesforce isn't embargoing customers in Indiana, it's just no longer sending staff or running programs for customers in the state. They're not going to stop the locals buying their product. in Africa too Africa is not one homogenous mass of religious backwardness.

I'm sure the same defense could be used for Indiana.

This is about state law.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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I think you have to look at what motivated laws like this. In one famous example in Arizona, an anti-discrimination law penalized a wedding photographer who refused to work a same-sex wedding. It's not that people want the right to not serve gay people at Chick-fil-a.

A wedding photographer photographs weddings, eh? It is quite sensible for said photographer to turn down requests for photographing non-weddings, and holds to a certain widespread classic & religious definition of what a wedding is. Now many find a reason to press for legislation [re]stating that it's the proprietor who gets to decide what the definition s/he adheres to on common religious grounds, not what others sa…

People used to not think marriages between people of different skin colors weren't actual weddings either. Do you think that a Catholic photographer would agree to work a Lutheran wedding?

Just sayin...

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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I support the seemingly-exaggerated response of Salesforce. In a risk of starting a religious flame war, I don't understand those of faith who discriminate against anyone else for any reason. Jesus called on His believers to love your neighbors as you love yourself. "There are no commandments greater than these" (from Mark 12)

As someone from Indiana, and a person of faith, I've followed this fairly closely. To call the response "seemingly-exaggerated" is an understatement. Frankly, I wonder if Mr. Benioff has even read the bill that Gov. Pence signed today, or whether he's relying on the rhetoric of those who oppose it, who claim it will inevitably lead to discrimination. What the bill actually says is that the state government can't (wit…

> You can love your neighbor as you love yourself, and still not condone or participate in or approve of activities that contradict your faith, just as on a purely secular level you might like an individual but find some of their behavior distasteful.

First, loving someone while saying one of the facets of their identity is wrong is... a weird definition of love, at the very least.

Second, that isn't what's at issue. What's at issue is whether someone's personal distaste should translate into a denial of service in the public sphere.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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For those of you who, like me, had no idea of what this bill said, since it's not mentioned anywhere in the article or title, here's a description: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/0324/Indiana-relig... Apparently, it gives business owners the right to discriminate against customers who they feel go against the owner's religious faith.

Even better, read the actual bill, not someone's description.

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/101#

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Or how about the most obvious one, killing ie. wars. Conventional American Christianity and the military are very closely tied; how that disconnect is ignored is beyond me.

You cannot be a pacifist without a protector, ask Tibet.

There's a difference between defending yourself and offensive war.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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For those of you who, like me, had no idea of what this bill said, since it's not mentioned anywhere in the article or title, here's a description: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/0324/Indiana-relig... Apparently, it gives business owners the right to discriminate against customers who they feel go against the owner's religious faith.

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