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Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by mc32 »

vacri wrote: post #27
mc32 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe sales force will also stop selling to customers in Russia, China, in Africa too to ensure principles aren't broken... And people aren't discriminated against. Unfortunately I think he's grandstanding and this is simply symbolic. Which is fine, but he doesn't really mean it. It's a ploy.

Salesforce isn't embargoing customers in Indiana, it's just no longer sending staff or running programs for customers in the state. They're not going to stop the locals buying their product. in Africa too Africa is not one homogenous mass of religious backwardness.

I'm sure the same defense could be used for Indiana.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by vitd »

For those of you who, like me, had no idea of what this bill said, since it's not mentioned anywhere in the article or title, here's a description:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/0324/Indiana-relig...

Apparently, it gives business owners the right to discriminate against customers who they feel go against the owner's religious faith.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by joshuapants »

anon808 wrote: post #16
api wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't understand why things like homosexuality are orders of magnitude more important than all the other sins named in the Bible -- and often far more clearly and unambiguously. You don't see Christians protesting outside credit card companies because they engage in usury, or against companies that make their employees work on Sundays, or for policies to help the poor, or anything else like that. Ultimately wh…

Or how about the most obvious one, killing ie. wars. Conventional American Christianity and the military are very closely tied; how that disconnect is ignored is beyond me.

A more accurate translation of the commandment would be "you shall not murder." Conservative Judaism is also pretty big into the military, and pretty much every major religion makes a distinction between murder and justified killing.

e: Just to be more clear, this isn't me coming up with my own justification. The Hebrew word "ratsakh" used in the commandment specifically refers to murder or manslaughter and isn't used in the context of killing in war.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by caseysoftware »

ctdonath wrote: post #24
wl wrote: post #9

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I think you have to look at what motivated laws like this. In one famous example in Arizona, an anti-discrimination law penalized a wedding photographer who refused to work a same-sex wedding. It's not that people want the right to not serve gay people at Chick-fil-a.

A wedding photographer photographs weddings, eh? It is quite sensible for said photographer to turn down requests for photographing non-weddings, and holds to a certain widespread classic & religious definition of what a wedding is. Now many find a reason to press for legislation [re]stating that it's the proprietor who gets to decide what the definition s/he adheres to on common religious grounds, not what others sa…

"It is quite sensible for said photographer to turn down requests for photographing non-weddings, and holds to a certain widespread classic & religious definition of what a wedding is."

And now you've discriminated and are subject to lawsuits. As has already happened in a number of cases.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by GabrielF00 »

joshuaheard wrote: post #30

Thank you for calling it a religious freedom law instead of an anti-gay law as most media outlets, since the law never mentions homosexuality, but only reaffirms our Constitutional right to Freedom of Religion.

A law can have an intended effect that is different from its text.

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Torgo wrote: post #21
api wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't understand why things like homosexuality are orders of magnitude more important than all the other sins named in the Bible -- and often far more clearly and unambiguously. You don't see Christians protesting outside credit card companies because they engage in usury, or against companies that make their employees work on Sundays, or for policies to help the poor, or anything else like that. Ultimately wh…

They are lost causes, and you're generally not personally compelled to use them (except the ACA, now.) >People think gays are icky and weird http://research.vtc.vt.edu/news/2014/oct/29/liberal-or-conse... People with stronger disgust response tend to be conservative.

Can we assume with the acceptance of interracial marriage in the 70's through the 90's, the acceptance of gay marriage between the 90's and now, and the beginnings of the acceptance of drug decriminalization/legalization now are signs the US is tilting "liberal/progressive" (or whatever the opposite of conservative is)?

"Progress occurs one funeral at a time."

Re: Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

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Post by anon808 »

davebindy wrote: post #23
keehun wrote: post #3

I support the seemingly-exaggerated response of Salesforce. In a risk of starting a religious flame war, I don't understand those of faith who discriminate against anyone else for any reason. Jesus called on His believers to love your neighbors as you love yourself. "There are no commandments greater than these" (from Mark 12)

As someone from Indiana, and a person of faith, I've followed this fairly closely. To call the response "seemingly-exaggerated" is an understatement. Frankly, I wonder if Mr. Benioff has even read the bill that Gov. Pence signed today, or whether he's relying on the rhetoric of those who oppose it, who claim it will inevitably lead to discrimination. What the bill actually says is that the state government can't (wit…

What are the specific acts that people of faith were being forced to perform or approve of that contradict their faith?
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