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Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by atmosx »

TheCondor wrote: post #26
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Honestly, I don't expect the Secretary of State to be emailing the baby sitter, I expect one of the several assistants/admins they have to do that. I can't think of a lot of reasons of do this other than to attempt to hide things

She could email her relatives asking about family health issues which she doesn't wanna share with anyone.

I don't think that a public figure, even in higher ranks, should be exposed to that kind of scrutiny. Privacy is a privilege which everyone should enjoy. Even those who are trying to literally kill it.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by forgottenpass »

eitally wrote: post #91
jeremyt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the specific law referenced here is a federal law which only applies to high ranking federal officials (e.g. Cabinet secretaries). It would apply to Clinton, but not to most of the people on your list. "The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the age…

In the corporate world, the generally accepted internal policy is that email is not a system of record, and that when documents (including the email itself) are sent or received via email, those must be exported separately and saved in whatever is the system of record. This, of course, flies contrary to the trends in e-discovery from a prosecutorial point of view, but it does make sense.

In the corporate world, the generally accepted internal policy is that email is not a system of record

Saying "email is not a system of record" is lot like saying "RAID is not a backup". Just because you don't use reliable a long term storage medium doesn't mean you don't have and use those records.

It doesn't even fly contrary to e-discovery, it's just a difference in multiple contextual definitions of "record."

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by JackFr »

sanderjd wrote: post #106
JackFr wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is terrible -- in that the two leading parties in the United States are doing a poor job of representing the values of the people. They need to be fundamentally readjusted or be replaced by better alternatives, and that is not accomplished easily. In nerdy terms, if there are N dimensions to public policy and individuals are represented as N dimensional vectors, the ideologies of our current parties do a t…

That perspective is absolutely what I'm arguing against, and I believe it is one of the main contributors to exactly the problem it decries. Convincing people that everything is terrible is the first step to convincing them that it's the other side's fault and you have the solution, which is how we end up with the divisiveness that fails to represent the mostly moderate values of the people.

No -- I think you missed my point.

Everything is terrible, because there is no other side. Neither party represents my interests adequately, and both parties are sclerotic and resistant to change because of symbiotic relationships with rent-seeking interest groups.

What should I do?

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by danielweber »

tvon wrote: post #43
DangerousPie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is Kerry doing similar? The article says "Secretary of State John Kerry uses a government email account, and his correspondence is preserved as part of the department’s record-keeping system."

From a Washington Post[1] article: > Clinton was not the first secretary of state to use a private account. The State Department said Clinton’s successor as top diplomat, John F. Kerry, is the first secretary to use a standard government e-mail address ending in “state.gov.” [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-used-...

If you read the article linked here, the law was changed in 2009, partly as a consequence of the 2007 scandal in which some Bush emails weren't preserved because they were run off of a server managed by the RNC.

The agency must make sure that emails are being retained according to law. In any private enterprise that must retain records, there is exactly one way to do this: you use your employer's email server, which has a long audit trail and dedicated compliance officers.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by briandear »

buttcoinslol wrote: post #110
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palin used her yahoo account for state business. She did violate state law. I'm not familiar with the others, but the issue isn't so cut and dry.

I forgot which Cabinet post Palin was appointed to, can you refresh my memory?

It doesn't matter. Moral relativism is the name of the game. It would be interesting if the anti-Palin crowd would spend some time looking into all of the criminality from members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Have a look at this list of the most corrupt politicians in the US; then perhaps we can talk about Palin using yahoo. http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judic...

The fact is this, Palin matters because she's not a Democrat. Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome. When a Republican is corrupt, much of the time, they resign. When a Democrat is corrupt, they get reelected. Re: Marion Berry, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Chris Dodd. Tom Delay was another bad one, however he was actually charged with a crime and he resigned.

Palin is nothing more than a proxy to rationalize bad behavior.

Democrats most definitely don't have a monopoly on corruption; however how Democrat voters deal with the corruption is markedly telling.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by astazangasta »

mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Eh? Everyone has work email and home email. Just use a state email address for government communications, your gmail to talk to your babysitter, problem solved. This isnt "difficult", it is a deliberate evasion.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by twoodfin »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #31

I'm voting this one up although I have concerns the article could end up in some kind of partisan BS here. So let's be clear about the root of the problem: government regulations demand that public officials have recordable conversations as part of their duties. This allows openness and inspection. (It also allows political shenanigans) It's a very, very similar situation to where we are with government spying on the…

So let's be clear about the root of the problem: government regulations demand that public officials have recordable conversations as part of their duties. This allows openness and inspection. (It also allows political shenanigans)

It's a very, very similar situation to where we are with government spying on the citizens.

I don't find those cases to be similar at all. Government officials are public servants granted a public trust. While there are certainly circumstances and topics that require confidentiality for some period of time, those officials' conduct of government business has to be subject to oversight, whether by Congress or the public.

There's a case to be made that record-keeping requirements are overly onerous, and encourage difficult-to-monitor, potentially insecure side channels like this one. But that government communications of our top officials should be private? I don't think so.

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Post by cmcpgh »

uxp wrote: post #51
loumf wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. The second quote is pure conjecture once they didn't understand what a DNS record is.

I'm sure they are. A dig on the current domain returns "clintonemail.com.inbound10.mxlogic.net." as one of the mail records, which has 4 A records, each which point to servers registered in Englewood, CO. Note that MXLogic is a managed email service provided by McAfee.

MXLogic is a spam filtering system - I've used it with clients before. It will filter and then re-send emails to whatever system you choose. The email isn't "hosted" at MXLogic unless you tell it to archive email for you. Its typical config is to block spam/viruses and send along.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by briandear »

zimbu668 wrote: post #54
sanderjd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her Presidential ambitions are irrelevant to the question of whether or not the behavior was appropriate. Considering what other officials in similar positions have done is, however relevant. And the answer seems to be that it's mixed: John Kerry uses the official account, Colin Powell reportedly didn't, Condoleezza Rice reportedly did.

"Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account, before the current regulations went into effect." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/politics/using-private-...

And he also set up his own mail server using mystery workers as well? He's running for President? He was a part of Obama's "most transparent administration in history?" It isn't a question of personal email or not; it's a question of intent. Why did Hillary go to the trouble? It isn't about the what inasmuch as it's about the why.
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