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Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by frostmatthew »

EdSharkey wrote: post #24

Hillary is the front-runner in the democratic field. And the republicans are putting Jeb Bush forward as "most electable", whatever the hell that means. I suppose the power elites are freaking out right now because neither of those bluebloods should be allowed anywhere near the white house. Will status quo go out the window with the next president, or will we continue with the endless war, bailout, QE, and surveillan…

> Will status quo go out the window with the next president, or will we continue with the endless war, bailout, QE, and surveillance policies of the Clintons, Bushes, and Obama?

If either Clinton or Bush win and get re-elected to a second term it would mean, ten years from now we would have had either a Clinton or Bush as President for 28 of the previous 36 years...and yet people will wonder why nothing ever changes.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by jeremyt »

snissn wrote: post #37

I don't understand this story -- according to the smoking gun report, there's only evidence that this one guy sent her emails to her person account ( possibly by an autocomplete or address book oversight? ) and not any evidence that she sent any emails of replies back. If she wasn't sending emails from the account, and just one person was using her person address as the recipient, it seems just like a one off minor o…

It appears Clinton's staff has provided 50,000 pages of correspondence from the account in question since it was discovered.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by tvon »

DangerousPie wrote: post #11
Shivetya wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless if it is to stile a political run or to get the damage over and done with this is the type of behavior by top officials that needs to stop. Is Kerry doing similar? Who else is? There seems to be a concerted effort by the Administration and/or those in it to hide communication from the official record, being Hillary Clinton or Lois Lerner. What happens to her because of this obvious effort to conceal is the…

> Is Kerry doing similar? The article says "Secretary of State John Kerry uses a government email account, and his correspondence is preserved as part of the department’s record-keeping system."

From a Washington Post[1] article:

> Clinton was not the first secretary of state to use a private account. The State Department said Clinton’s successor as top diplomat, John F. Kerry, is the first secretary to use a standard government e-mail address ending in “state.gov.”

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-used-...

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by EdSharkey »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29
EdSharkey wrote: post #24

Hillary is the front-runner in the democratic field. And the republicans are putting Jeb Bush forward as "most electable", whatever the hell that means. I suppose the power elites are freaking out right now because neither of those bluebloods should be allowed anywhere near the white house. Will status quo go out the window with the next president, or will we continue with the endless war, bailout, QE, and surveillan…

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

I was going to reply, "I'm not so sure this time." But, you're right, the status quo parties are what most people cling to.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by sanderjd »

meragrin wrote: post #25
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

How many of those were high ranking federal officials with access to confidential material at the time and have ambitions for running for President? None of those even begin to reach the level of Clinton's conduct. She conducted ALL communications through the private email. None of the above used private emails exclusive. Most of them don't even sound like they used the private emails the majority of the time. This i…

Her Presidential ambitions are irrelevant to the question of whether or not the behavior was appropriate. Considering what other officials in similar positions have done is, however relevant. And the answer seems to be that it's mixed: John Kerry uses the official account, Colin Powell reportedly didn't, Condoleezza Rice reportedly did.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by chimeracoder »

loumf wrote: post #19
uptown wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press." [...] "Operating her own server would have afforded Clinton additional legal oppo…

They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. The second quote is pure conjecture once they didn't understand what a DNS record is.

> They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house.

You mean the WHOIS records?

If so, I'm not sure it's so easy to simply dismiss "traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York" as referring to the WHOIS record. It sounds like they're looking at the IP address, in which case I guess it's technically possible that the actual mailserver isn't physically located at her home, but for the purposes of the article it'd be reasonable to say that she ran [part of] the service from her home.

I agree that it'd be preferable if they could explain what evidence they're actually basing this on, but it doesn't read to me like they're talking about the WHOIS.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by sanderjd »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #27
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Wouldn't it be stopped by enforcing the law? Say, bring charges against violators? Let them explain themselves in court. That's what court is for.

I'm as ignorant about this as I suspect everyone else here is (that is, we've seen reports in our respective favored news sources, but not read any source materials), but my understanding is that these are rules, not laws (thus, not what courts are for), and that it isn't clear the current rules were in place at the time (though I'm not sure why people aren't reporting on that facet more, because it seems important).

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by joshstrange »

From what I understand she is not the first secretary of state to do this (All her predecessors did as well) and the laws that require them to keep emails and/or use provided email were passed AFTER she held the position. I'll agree it's a bad practice but can we fault her for doing that same thing as the people before her when there was no law/rule/regulation to do otherwise?

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by delecti »

chimeracoder wrote: post #46
loumf wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. The second quote is pure conjecture once they didn't understand what a DNS record is.

> They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. You mean the WHOIS records? If so, I'm not sure it's so easy to simply dismiss "traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York" as referring to the WHOIS record. It sounds like they're looking at the IP address, in which case I guess i…

I disagree. I think that statement makes far more sense if it means the WHOIS records than it does if they mean the physical server.

The key words are "registered to", which means nobody was able to trace the actual traffic to the home. Not that that would necessarily be easy, but in absence of that I think it's far more likely that she's not administering running mail servers from her home.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by sanderjd »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29
EdSharkey wrote: post #24

Hillary is the front-runner in the democratic field. And the republicans are putting Jeb Bush forward as "most electable", whatever the hell that means. I suppose the power elites are freaking out right now because neither of those bluebloods should be allowed anywhere near the white house. Will status quo go out the window with the next president, or will we continue with the endless war, bailout, QE, and surveillan…

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

The "everything's terrible!" tone of your comment is one of the major problems and main contributors to the partisan divide. It would be harder to get people riled up for their pet party if more people were aware that, hey, things are going pretty well! It would make the things that aren't going as well easier to identify and work on.
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