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Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by uxp »

loumf wrote: post #19
uptown wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press." [...] "Operating her own server would have afforded Clinton additional legal oppo…

They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. The second quote is pure conjecture once they didn't understand what a DNS record is.

I'm sure they are. A dig on the current domain returns "clintonemail.com.inbound10.mxlogic.net." as one of the mail records, which has 4 A records, each which point to servers registered in Englewood, CO.

Note that MXLogic is a managed email service provided by McAfee.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

sanderjd wrote: post #47
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be stopped by enforcing the law? Say, bring charges against violators? Let them explain themselves in court. That's what court is for.

I'm as ignorant about this as I suspect everyone else here is (that is, we've seen reports in our respective favored news sources, but not read any source materials), but my understanding is that these are rules, not laws (thus, not what courts are for), and that it isn't clear the current rules were in place at the time (though I'm not sure why people aren't reporting on that facet more, because it seems important).

I admit I'm a bit confused. I've read several articles about this and each have used rules and law almost interchangeable.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by zimbu668 »

sanderjd wrote: post #45
meragrin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many of those were high ranking federal officials with access to confidential material at the time and have ambitions for running for President? None of those even begin to reach the level of Clinton's conduct. She conducted ALL communications through the private email. None of the above used private emails exclusive. Most of them don't even sound like they used the private emails the majority of the time. This i…

Her Presidential ambitions are irrelevant to the question of whether or not the behavior was appropriate. Considering what other officials in similar positions have done is, however relevant. And the answer seems to be that it's mixed: John Kerry uses the official account, Colin Powell reportedly didn't, Condoleezza Rice reportedly did.

"Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account, before the current regulations went into effect."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/politics/using-private-...

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by saalweachter »

hessenwolf wrote: post #3
nodata wrote: post #2

Interesting timing of this revelation.

Is the idea to attack her early so it burns out early, or is this genuinely to attack her? These articles really read like an episode of House of Cards.

Honestly I don't think the haters are capable of exercising restraint when it comes to attacking Clinton.

But if you want to be an optimist about humanity, you could assume that the timing of or level of attention given to this reveal is unrelated to election cycles and merely the natural pace of a crime being revealed and prosecuted.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by tvanantwerp »

mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Also Lisa Jackson (A.K.A., Richard Windsor), former head of the EPA and now environmental advisor to Apple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_P._Jackson#EPA_Administrat...

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by jes »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #31

I'm voting this one up although I have concerns the article could end up in some kind of partisan BS here. So let's be clear about the root of the problem: government regulations demand that public officials have recordable conversations as part of their duties. This allows openness and inspection. (It also allows political shenanigans) It's a very, very similar situation to where we are with government spying on the…

> And the proper response to a government that refuses to act in a reasonable manner is non-violent non-participation.

I couldn't agree more.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

sanderjd wrote: post #50
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

The "everything's terrible!" tone of your comment is one of the major problems and main contributors to the partisan divide. It would be harder to get people riled up for their pet party if more people were aware that, hey, things are going pretty well! It would make the things that aren't going as well easier to identify and work on.

I didn't mean to imply "everything's terrible." However, if/when it becomes terrible, and if we are still evenly divided, we'll not have the power to make a positive change.

I've never been one to say, "I'm only voting for this particular party." I simply don't understand that mentality. It makes zero sense to me.

Edit: As my original post indicated, I believe we are on a downward slope towards things becoming terrible. Just not there yet.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

parennoob wrote: post #32
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

"... if you write a note to your babysitter during office hours, why should the wider world have to know about it? It's a difficult balance." I don't think it is. I do it every day at work. Use your personal email to communicate with your babysitter, and your official work email only for work stuff.

>Use your personal email to communicate with your babysitter, and your official work email only for work stuff.

One problem with that. I have an official work (.edu) email that is practically useless. Constantly full of spam, both from outside, and from clueless employees. Domain gets blocked from sending to popular domains occasionally for mass spamming. Can't accept attachments (or rarely accepts them). High and unpredictable inbox latency. Goofy, insecure, obsolete pa55woRD! rules. etc. The .gov email addresses I have had from past jobs weren't always much better.

So I have an official work email, an unofficial work gmail, and a private email account for personal business.

But the larger point is that Clinton should have had some procedure to regularly archive her work-related comms (no matter what the method was).

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