So fun thing to do in these kinds of videos is to look for women. FYI. This video has 1 woman, at the end. She doesn't say anything, she just stands there, and she's only visible for a few seconds. Summing up. Microsoft's new engine, still fighting to gain traction with 50% of the population ;)
The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
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Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#152I hope those 9,000 sites include github. IE hangs when confronted with a github display of a PR that has more than 1000 lines of diff's.
Do you have one that we can use to check future builds of IE against?
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/4381/file...
It's not even that big, and it's nearly impossible to scroll it.
Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#153I really really hope Microsoft adopts the strategy from competing browsers: - Make one version of Spartan and keep it AUTO-UPDATED, instead of shipping a new version every couple of years that is, more or less, completely decoupled from the previous version. - Decouple the browser from the operating system. I don't really care if they make it cross-platform (though it would be nice), but if the browser stops updating…
> Make one version of Spartan and keep it AUTO-UPDATED, instead of shipping a new version every couple of years that is, more or less, completely decoupled from the previous version. This is what IE 11 currently does, so I would imagine they will continue doing so with Project Spartan.
I think this is what the above commenter was referring to. This is really what causes IE fragmentation - refusing to update it past a certain point.
Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chrome and friends aren't webkit anymore, but only by way of forking. Otherwise Chrome, Chromium and Opera 15+ are the same engine. The family tree kind of looks like this: -- Internet Explorer -- Firefox -- Safari \ -- Chrome, Chromium, Opera 15+ -- Opera 12 (abandoned) I'm a little unclear on how differentiated Webkit and Blink are in practice, but sadly we have only 3.5 major engines competing at this point.
-- Internet Explorer 6-8 -- Internet Explorer 9-10 -- Internet Explorer 11 -- Internet Explorer new? -- Firefox -- Konqueror (abandoned?) \ -- Safari \ --Chromium, Opera 15+ \ -- Chrome \ --IOS safari -- Opera 12 (abandoned) and that's why i use and only advertise firefox. It is the only browser that respect webdevelopers.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
We created http://remote.modern.ie so you can stream Internet Explorer to your Mac. Even to your iOS device :)
Please, let's not pretend remote.modern.ie OR the VM's are ANYTHING close to running the browser locally. They are, at best, a band-aid. Yes, pjmlp, safari is OS X-only now but just because I'm a Mac user does not mean I support that decision, I don't. Also you know how many times in the past 10 years I've heard someone say "Well it works in Chrome/FF/IE but not in Safari?" Never. That's not to say it never happens b…
Still a bit worse than the others, but Safari has also lagged lately (and Safari also isn't evergreen).
(I agree with all of the above for the older IE < 10)
Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#156Browser war? Sure. But regardless of the improvements MS makes, they still have years worth of a bad reputation they have built up to get over. It will take leaps and bounds for them to ever build up the respect that Mozilla and Google have for building web technology.
I don't quite follow your reasoning here. It's got a really bad reputation with devs and people "in the know," but for the average user turning on the computer, it's perfectly fine, and that has to count for something.
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#157YES! 1-2-3-4, I declare a browser war! Finally. This is the Microsoft I've been waiting for! No more rolling over and no defeatist talk of adopting WebKit or whatever. Microsoft is going to use its muscle and position to make a truly competitive browser. We need more competition, and we need the default browser in Windows to be just as good as Chrome and Firefox. Microsoft, I hope you pull every -ms- vendor flaggin',…
I upvoted this for sarcasm. But upon reflection I think maybe I missed the point. I guess a lot of it hinges on your interpretation of the words "competitive" and "parity". I'm hoping that it means the expression "IE issue" gradually becomes the exception rather than the norm.
What's actually involved here is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#158It doesn't matter unless they make it open-source or at the very least cross-platform. I'm not downloading a 4GB VM from http://modern.ie to try it.
We created http://remote.modern.ie so you can stream Internet Explorer to your Mac. Even to your iOS device :)
Re: The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine
#159But it will still be non-free, and probably won't sync history/bookmarks/open tabs with mobile, except perhaps windows phone. And it only works on windows. I don't see what would entice users to switch from Firefox or chromium or opera (or midori, konqueror, etc) to a new Microsoft browser. Its probably still worth telling users not to use internet explorer, just in case they ever end up buying a Mac or Linux PC, and…
It sounds like your primary concern is that it might be good...
People would be stupid enough to then use it.
Then microsoft would have more clout.
They would immediately use that clout to cause enormous industry problems, push bad standards, fail to comply with open ones, push windows specific extensions, ect ect ect.
I am 100% concerned that internet explorer might not suck. If that happened, the internet would be in a much worse place.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last sentence describes Google.
I thoroughly disagree. Net Neutrality, today, is case in point. Until Chrome came along, Firefox was going it alone against IE. Until Google Fiber came along, we all had less than 10Mb downloads for $80/month. There's much, much more. Pick better battles. Google is not your enemy.
That said, I think applying morality to a company is silly; despite what the law may say, I'll never consider a corporation a person. It's a collection of people, and people can do good and bad things.