The birth of Microsoft's new web rendering engine

Post by icantthinkofone » Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 10:32 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #36

melling wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a already have lot of competition. In fact, it's never been better: Chrome, Firefox, WebKit, Chromium, Opera. You can even get the source code for Firefox and Chrome and contribute. I'm glad Microsoft is making a better go at it, but honestly, Microsoft could have built a more compliant browser any time they wanted too. https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html

Opera, Chrome and Chromium are based off the same engine which is a fork of WebKit. If anything competition has gone down the last couple of years with WebKit based browsers becoming the standard despite its bugs & non-standard behavior. It reminds me of IE6 in its heyday.

Post by jajaBinks » Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 10:50 PM UTC

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #10

Based on the team pics, it looks like they got rid of individual offices over there. That's too bad.

Post by gcb0 » Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 10:52 PM UTC

Throwaway90283 wrote: post #96

EdSharkey wrote: post #15

YES! 1-2-3-4, I declare a browser war! Finally. This is the Microsoft I've been waiting for! No more rolling over and no defeatist talk of adopting WebKit or whatever. Microsoft is going to use its muscle and position to make a truly competitive browser. We need more competition, and we need the default browser in Windows to be just as good as Chrome and Firefox. Microsoft, I hope you pull every -ms- vendor flaggin',…

I'd like to see some competition as well, but in my perspective, they're taking the wrong approach. This entire project seems to be about improving compatibility with older websites, by adding more algorithms and layers to the rendering process. I don't believe everyone is using Firefox and Chrome because they have better compatibility than IE. I think they should focus on cutting the fat, and making the lightest wei…

Post by gcb0 » Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 10:56 PM UTC

Mithaldu wrote: post #30

melling wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a already have lot of competition. In fact, it's never been better: Chrome, Firefox, WebKit, Chromium, Opera. You can even get the source code for Firefox and Chrome and contribute. I'm glad Microsoft is making a better go at it, but honestly, Microsoft could have built a more compliant browser any time they wanted too. https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html

Chrome and friends aren't webkit anymore, but only by way of forking. Otherwise Chrome, Chromium and Opera 15+ are the same engine. The family tree kind of looks like this: -- Internet Explorer -- Firefox -- Safari \ -- Chrome, Chromium, Opera 15+ -- Opera 12 (abandoned) I'm a little unclear on how differentiated Webkit and Blink are in practice, but sadly we have only 3.5 major engines competing at this point.

    -- Internet Explorer 6-8
    -- Internet Explorer 9-10
    -- Internet Explorer 11
    -- Internet Explorer new?

    -- Firefox
    
    -- Konqueror (abandoned?)
      \
       -- Safari
         \
          --Chromium, Opera 15+
             \
               -- Chrome
         \ 
           --IOS safari

    -- Opera 12 (abandoned)

Post by JTon » Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 11:02 PM UTC

tarblog wrote: post #120

adrusi wrote: post #76

But it will still be non-free, and probably won't sync history/bookmarks/open tabs with mobile, except perhaps windows phone. And it only works on windows. I don't see what would entice users to switch from Firefox or chromium or opera (or midori, konqueror, etc) to a new Microsoft browser. Its probably still worth telling users not to use internet explorer, just in case they ever end up buying a Mac or Linux PC, and…

>Users have started a slow migration back to Firefox Do you have a source for this? I haven't looked at trends in a while.