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Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by cssmoo »

taf2 wrote: post #95
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bug, and an extra event listener? That's enough to drive you mad? Sorry, that seems pretty mild. I understand getting wound up after spending too much time figuring out an issue. Maybe walk away from it for an hour, get a cup of something, vent on HN. Oh! That's what you're doing.

Here's the thing this is just one example of one issue of thousands. And at the end of the day the difference is with Mozilla and Chromium I can jump on irc and talk directly to the people working on those browsers and get their advice for the best way to work around a current issue. I can get insight into whether a fix is in progress and I can vent my frustrations. I can also rest easy knowing that in 1-3 months a f…

Have you ever raised a support case with MS properly I.e. Not via feedback/connect?

Your can speak to someone who knows their shit pretty sharpish and get a fix to you. Most of the time this is same day stuff.

As for Chrome, the open web is much better now we have NaCl, sign in nagging and dubious privacy and no support even if you're a paying customer (google apps I'm looking at you).

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by QuantumRoar »

bzbarsky wrote: post #91
QuantumRoar wrote: post #49

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Is MathML actually widely used? I can't believe anyone would really want to use something else than the LaTeX stuff for typesetting formulas. There's nothing as pretty as LaTeX for that. Recently I wrote a small tool that enables me to write LaTeX code directly in HTML and the tool then renders the LaTeX code in PDF, converts it to SVG and places an appropriate img-tag with the reference to the generated SVG. I was u…

Some reasons to prefer MathML: 1) Working find-in-page that lets you search equations too. 2) Ability to select, copy, paste the math bits. 3) Better accessibility. LaTeX in alt text is something, but actual semantic markup would allow the UA to present things to the user the way the user wants more easily (e.g. without having to re-parse the LaTeX). 4) Ease of editing and reuse (c.f. view source). 5) Ease of styling…

Thank you for the explanation!

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by pas »

electic wrote: post #79
bonn1 wrote: post #14

It's obvious that Apple slowed down innovating the web since the core of their business is iOS and apps. They shouldn't have any interest in a fast innovating web that gets on par with native apps which is their main lock-in for iOS, just like Microsoft 15 years ago. They only speed up their rendering engine and JS core but don't try to help on standards improving the web experience. BUT: I doubt this pointer event t…

It is quite simple. I have a few friends who work for Apple and they are exhausted. They don't have time to fix everything and they don't simply hire in mass because they believe in quality. A lot of these issues will not get fixed anytime soon at this rate. So you are right. Safari is starting to get neglected but it is not for the reasons you think.

Then they missed that mark with IndexedDB: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9106752

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by eridius »

Comments like

> (and they’re mostly blinded by iFever anyway)

do nothing but make the author look bad and make many readers (such as myself) inclined to discount the entire piece. It's really disappointing to see something like this in an article that otherwise has a legitimate point.

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by bsimpson »

panzi wrote: post #63
tuananh wrote: post #4

> Sponsored by IE. Just saying.

While their browser really is subpar, Microsoft did contribute some important technologies to the web. E.g. AJAX (XMLHttpRequest) and (the precursor to) HTML5 Drag and Drop.

If AJAX was any good, we wouldn't need the Fetch API. It was only embraced because the web had literally no was to programaticly download assets before that.

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by bsimpson »

I understand the frustration behind Google abandoning Pointer Events, but they have good reasons for doing so. For years, one of the bars to get a new feature added to Chrome has been "Does this increase or maintain performance?" For Pointer Events, they determined the answer was "no" because of the extra hit testing it requires, and they refuse to regress performance on the web.

My primary input device has been a stylus for over a decade, so I'd love to see unified input support on the web, but with all the talk of getting to 60 FPS, I can understand why a spec that contradicts that isn't being implemented.

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=162757#c...

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by ebbv »

riquito wrote: post #86
ebbv wrote: post #51

I was really on board with this article until I got to this: > Although he is right in a literal sense, I do not think we should exaggerate the problem. Clueless web devs will be clueless (and they’re mostly blinded by iFever anyway) So the author is saying that most clueless devs are rabid Apple fans? This is so ridiculous to the point of doing nothing but making the author look bad. Yes, Apple is behaving badly wit…

You missed the context > creating a second bunch of events to do essentially the same as touch events would put undue pressure on web developers, since they would now have to code to two standards He's talking about the fact that the devs that have problems with this are "clueless" and will be saved by someone else that does the hard part for them (write a unified interface)

I did not miss the context. I read the article. I was not objecting to his characterization of devs being clueless. There are lots of clueless devs in the world. In my experience it's >50% of devs.

What I objected to was the absurd claim that "most" clueless devs have "iFrenzy." When obviously in reality, there's clueless Apple fans and clueless Apple haters and clueless everyone in-between.

Making such a, frankly, stupid assertion undermined the entirety of his post.

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by simonh »

falcolas wrote: post #92
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #89

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Depends on your definition of "size." I can find the reference, but I believe Apple has under a third as many developers as Microsoft, and certainly fewer than Google. While they have money, their pay scale isn't famous for being extravagant. People work there mostly for prestige, but you can get money and prestige working for a startup. Cook has said publicly that their biggest challenge is talent retention. They're…

All of these problems could be solved by a company with Apple's resources if they wanted the problems solved. Need more developers? Hire more. Payscale problems? Pay your developers what they are worth to you. Of course, if they aren't worth much to you, then this point is moot. Retention problems? Addressed by both points one and two. That they do not use their resources to solve these problems says more than the fa…

>ed more developers? Hire more.

They're aiming to increase their total number of Cupertino employees from 16k to over 24k in 2016. For any organisation, absorbing another 7k+ employess is no mean feat.

Apple is experiencing unprecedented success and fantastic growth. But sure, that's trivial to manage. You could do it in your sleep. Maybe you should drop Tim Cook an email.

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by melling »

teamhappy wrote: post #53
melling wrote: post #13

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And desktops. IE8 still has almost 20% market share. https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr... XP looks like it will be with us long after people have upgraded to newer iPhones.

IE 8 has less than 5% in pretty much every other statistic. http://www.w3counter.com/trends http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-browser-ww-monthly-201401... https://www.stetic.com/market-share/browser/ http://clicky.com/marketshare/global/web-browsers/versions/

So, there's still an "IE6" effect, right. More so than an iOS 6 effect? Web developers must test and fix for IE8.

Re: Tired of Safari

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Post by ghawkescs »

euroclydon wrote: post #43

Desktop Safari sucks too. It has good battery life on a Mac, but tends to crash frequently for me. The thing I hate the most though is this: On the favorites bar, click a folder to drop it down, now click another folder while the first is still dropped down -- nothing! I'm not even asking to be able to drag my pointer to the next folder and have it expand, but that would be even better.

Mobile Safari crashes all the time on my iPad Air as well. A lot of the time it is even on well-known sites like The Verge (granted, some of this is on the web site creator).
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