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Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by albedoa »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #49
encoderer wrote: post #37

I don't mean to be OT, but does anybody play online anymore? I paid my (cheap) rent in college playing on FullTilt and PokerStars, but the (unreasonable) gov't crackdown seems to have put an end to online play. Or is there a secret I'm not in on?

Seals With Clubs. Deposit bitcoin. Play with bitcoin. Withdraw bitcoin. Probably not legal in the U.S. but it's a great site (and they don't check your IP origin afaik, though you could probably get in with TOR or a proxy anyway).

Seals With Clubs shut down three days ago: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/seals...

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by kimcheekumquat »

encoderer wrote: post #37

I don't mean to be OT, but does anybody play online anymore? I paid my (cheap) rent in college playing on FullTilt and PokerStars, but the (unreasonable) gov't crackdown seems to have put an end to online play. Or is there a secret I'm not in on?

You can try Bovada. Fairly soft site with decent deposit and withdrawal options.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by TimPC »

mod wrote: post #13
Devthrowaway80 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it's a classic poker situation referred to as a "race". Interesting visualization!

AQ v KK is not a race, it's a rout.

Everything that's wrong with poker as a game can be exhibited in the fact that 70-30 is considered a rout. It's slightly better than 2 to 1, you lose almost 1/3rd of the time. AQ vs KK preflop is roughly like leading 1-0 in a baseball game.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by mod »

TimPC wrote: post #53
mod wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AQ v KK is not a race, it's a rout.

Everything that's wrong with poker as a game can be exhibited in the fact that 70-30 is considered a rout. It's slightly better than 2 to 1, you lose almost 1/3rd of the time. AQ vs KK preflop is roughly like leading 1-0 in a baseball game.

What I think you're saying is "everything that's wrong with poker" is exactly what I find makes poker great.

So much incomplete information combined with luck obscures the best strategy. If it weren't for these traits, it's likely poker would have been relegated to the likes of checkers by now. Solved and not fun for competent players.

The luck keeps people coming back.

Anyway, I can't agree with what you're saying, which is really just an opinion.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by iopq »

TimPC wrote: post #53
mod wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AQ v KK is not a race, it's a rout.

Everything that's wrong with poker as a game can be exhibited in the fact that 70-30 is considered a rout. It's slightly better than 2 to 1, you lose almost 1/3rd of the time. AQ vs KK preflop is roughly like leading 1-0 in a baseball game.

if I got it in 70-30 every time I'd be a very rich man

usually you're getting it in 65-35 with your strong hands or worse (overpair vs. a strong draw)

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by iopq »

TylerE wrote: post #26
juggernautq wrote: post #19

This doesn't consider the post-flop strategy though. Since heads-up limit holdem has been solved, it would be interesting to look at the EV of the hand with the optimal play. I would think hands like 22 should have been weaker than show down value suggested..

weakly solved. What was shown is essentially a optimal solution for playing against itself . Not an abitrary villain of unknown tendencies. Besides, limit is dead.

No, it's a solution that loses very slowly vs. an opponent that plays optimally against its strategy. Meaning bluffs and calls at optimal percentages KNOWING the percentages of the program.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by thret »

mod wrote: post #30
benihana wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AQ, AJ and A10 are all deceptively okay hands (not exceptional like AA, AK, KK, not quite mediocre like J10, QJ) because of the Ace.

You might be surprised to hear that 95% of poker players do not consider JT mediocre. (I'm not among the 95%!)

In Australia we call JTss the 'Greek flag'. It is a very powerful hand in the Manila variant of poker - which is popular with Greeks - and thus extremely popular in holdem also. Note that every two card straight it makes is the nuts.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by Ollinson »

encoderer wrote: post #37

I don't mean to be OT, but does anybody play online anymore? I paid my (cheap) rent in college playing on FullTilt and PokerStars, but the (unreasonable) gov't crackdown seems to have put an end to online play. Or is there a secret I'm not in on?

Online poker is very much alive. You can check it out for yourself twitch.tv

I personally recommend pokerstaples stream. He's a very math based MTT player.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by avalaunch »

mod wrote: post #46
yannyu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to do this with play-raise-fold frequencies by number of people at table. Are there relatively untainted public poker hand datasets? WSOP tournament data maybe?

You can buy huge databases from other players, yes. They're full data sets, not "tainted," and have far more hands than have ever been played in the WSOP. It's considered bad form in the poker world, and generally against site TOS, if you're a player using the data to have a read on a player before you've ever played him. If you're just doing research, nobody cares at all. They might even give you the datasets, if th…

Unless I've misunderstood you, it's really not considered bad form at all. It's considered pretty standard amongst professional poker players that most everyone (at least the professionals) are all using some form of HUD (heads-up display) that will overlay stats next to each opponent's name, detailing all sorts of useful information about the player's tendencies. It's almost mandatory to use a HUD if you like to multi-table more than 4 tables at once.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Post by avalaunch »

yannyu wrote: post #23
mod wrote: post #12

Looks like you used heads up hand strengths, and then full-table hand frequencies, and computed weighted hand strenghts based on that--which is a mistake, of course.

I'd love to do this with play-raise-fold frequencies by number of people at table. Are there relatively untainted public poker hand datasets? WSOP tournament data maybe?

I think I played a little over a million hands online and probably have a dataset with millions more on top of that. If you want it, I can probably find it and send it to you. Email is in my profile.
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