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Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

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Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#21

This doesn't consider the post-flop strategy though. Since heads-up limit holdem has been solved, it would be interesting to look at the EV of the hand with the optimal play. I would think hands like 22 should have been weaker than show down value suggested..

Good luck with that decision tree for 1.3 trillion hands!

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#22
post #12

Looks like you used heads up hand strengths, and then full-table hand frequencies, and computed weighted hand strenghts based on that--which is a mistake, of course.

Could you expand on this please.

Hand strength isn't all that matters - you also need to account for "expected winnings". A-9 has a strong hand strength, but in a real game you'll probably win small pots with that and lose large ones. 9-10 has a middling hand strength but when you win, you'll probably win big.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#23
post #12

Looks like you used heads up hand strengths, and then full-table hand frequencies, and computed weighted hand strenghts based on that--which is a mistake, of course.

I'd love to do this with play-raise-fold frequencies by number of people at table. Are there relatively untainted public poker hand datasets? WSOP tournament data maybe?

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#24
post #21

This doesn't consider the post-flop strategy though. Since heads-up limit holdem has been solved, it would be interesting to look at the EV of the hand with the optimal play. I would think hands like 22 should have been weaker than show down value suggested..

Good luck with that decision tree for 1.3 trillion hands!

Actually this EV is the by-product of solving the game. U of Alberta must save it somewhere.. only if we can access it..

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you expand on this please.

Hand strength isn't all that matters - you also need to account for "expected winnings". A-9 has a strong hand strength, but in a real game you'll probably win small pots with that and lose large ones. 9-10 has a middling hand strength but when you win, you'll probably win big.

That's not what this blog post was about at all, and certainly not what GP asked me to expand upon.

You're not wrong, it's just off-topic, essentially.

You could say that you need to account for talent, too--but at some point you're going beyond what can be analyzed, at least currently. NLHUHE is not a solved game.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#26

This doesn't consider the post-flop strategy though. Since heads-up limit holdem has been solved, it would be interesting to look at the EV of the hand with the optimal play. I would think hands like 22 should have been weaker than show down value suggested..

weakly solved. What was shown is essentially a optimal solution for playing against itself. Not an abitrary villain of unknown tendencies.

Besides, limit is dead.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#28
Repost of my reddit rant about UX issues in this visualization:

This is interesting, but the layout is pretty confusing for somebody who studies poker.

Every other hand chart has AA in the top left, like these from Poker Stove: http://i.imgur.com/cvgvh.png

Also, yours have duplicate information. As2d and 2dAs are both displayed, when in fact they are equal in poker. Most charts split up suited and offsuit hands, like the ones above or this one from Equilab which lists out every combo separately like you do: http://i.imgur.com/BqS1iht.png

Your input format is also confusing. On your site, users have to type '6C 6D' but everywhere else on the internet, that would be written '6c6d'

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#29
post #25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hand strength isn't all that matters - you also need to account for "expected winnings". A-9 has a strong hand strength, but in a real game you'll probably win small pots with that and lose large ones. 9-10 has a middling hand strength but when you win, you'll probably win big.

That's not what this blog post was about at all, and certainly not what GP asked me to expand upon. You're not wrong, it's just off-topic, essentially. You could say that you need to account for talent, too--but at some point you're going beyond what can be analyzed, at least currently. NLHUHE is not a solved game.

I'm just saying, if you simply used these results to guide your bidding process, any halfway-decent player would take all your money.

Re: Texas Hold'em Hand Strength, Visualized

#30

Fascinating. I've seen a few remarkable showdowns between AQ and KK, I never would have guessed the odds were quite so tilted in KK's favour.

AQ, AJ and A10 are all deceptively okay hands (not exceptional like AA, AK, KK, not quite mediocre like J10, QJ) because of the Ace.

You might be surprised to hear that 95% of poker players do not consider JT mediocre.

(I'm not among the 95%!)

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