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Moving Forward with Firefox

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Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by gpvos »

hackuser wrote: post #41
userbinator wrote: post #13

"Moving Forward" "achieved positive growth again and dramatically reset our global search strategy" Did anyone else find those phrases to be a bit too much corporatese for Mozilla?

> "achieved positive growth again ... My understanding from reading Mozilla people, and from my own intuition, is that without significant market power for Firefox, Mozilla loses influence for all its priorities, including the open web, end-user control, etc. Firefox's market share is very important to Mozilla, to everyone who shares Mozilla's priorities, and to everyone affected by them (which might be, simply, "eve…

Then they should have written "increased our market share again". Growth in corporatese usually refers to revenue or profit, which is not the main point here. Confusing choice of words.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by weland »

Osmose wrote: post #48
zobzu wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument for being corporate cant go both way tho. What matters is how public perceives this, too. Posting corp stuff on the org domain/site means that then they are fully corporate-like. Which maybe is simply the case. You can't justify that its not the case because Mofo owns Moco.. then say both Moco and Mofo share everything without implying its all just a corp. (or the opposite, but not both).

All I was trying to clear up was that mozilla.org is our standard domain regardless of what's being posted, and thus there was no conscious decision to put "corporate speak" on a .org domain. I dunno exactly why this decision was made, but I'm almost certain having .com and .org both in active use would be really confusing for users (is it addons.mozilla.com? addons.mozilla.org?) and, to a lesser extent, our ops and…

I don't really think the problem is that "it's a .org" domain. But this is posted in what's essentially a place where a lot of people who understand why "positive growth" is not only wrong, but a load of brainwashed crap, spend quite some time :).

Phrases like those belong in press releases, not a blog post from an organization intelligent people respect.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by chris_wot »

What is this, a press release or a blog article?

"...a much stronger foundation from which to build, grow and pursue our mission"

"Moving Forward with Firefox"

"Firefox turned a corner"

"Mark’s entrepreneurial drive coupled with his holistic thinking, market orientation, and exciting vision for the future of Firefox make him the ideal person to lead this new team."

I'll probably be downvoted for this, but whenever I see something like this I wonder why the other individual got pushed. There are far too many things unsaid.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by chris_wot »

coned88 wrote: post #42
guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

You were forced into google search for the last 15 years but did you complain? It's simple enough to just switch it.

That's hardly advertising.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by chris_wot »

wodenokoto wrote: post #47
guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

Why did they use to force you onto Google instead of giving you the option?

Can't see how you equate the two. One is a default search provider (and easily changed), the other is forcing advertising on you.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by scrollaway »

Osmose wrote: post #49
msvan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I believe you can turn the ads off. Firefox needs revenue, like any other organization with employees to feed. 2. I believe you can change your search provider. Yahoo search was made the default because Yahoo pays Mozilla a lot of money for it. Mozilla needs money, see #1. If we can diversify the search market while supporting free software, that's fine by me.

Also important to note that sponsored tiles disappear once you have enough history for the new tab page to fill with your favorite sites. I mean it's still ads (And I don't like them personally) but it's ads in a space that would otherwise be useless to users.

> but it's ads in a space that would otherwise be useless to users.

Um, I don't have a problem with the new tab ads at all but this is a false justification. All those banner/block ads you see on the webs can be justified that way too.

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