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Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by hackuser »

userbinator wrote: post #13

"Moving Forward" "achieved positive growth again and dramatically reset our global search strategy" Did anyone else find those phrases to be a bit too much corporatese for Mozilla?

> "achieved positive growth again ...

My understanding from reading Mozilla people, and from my own intuition, is that without significant market power for Firefox, Mozilla loses influence for all its priorities, including the open web, end-user control, etc.

Firefox's market share is very important to Mozilla, to everyone who shares Mozilla's priorities, and to everyone affected by them (which might be, simply, "everyone").

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by coned88 »

guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

You were forced into google search for the last 15 years but did you complain? It's simple enough to just switch it.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by themodelplumber »

Blujay wrote: post #38

I sure hope they've vetted Mark Mayo to ensure that he doesn't hold any problematic political opinions.

That was sure a crazy situation in light of the fact that they have now partnered with (i.e. receiving money from) Yahoo. And it'll be interesting to see what happens in the future with the Yahoo / MS relationship.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by zobzu »

Osmose wrote: post #33
zobzu wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's posted on mozilla.org, not mozilla.com tho. There's a fine balance between the two.

There's currently no meaningful distinction between the two domains. mozilla.org is the standard domain for all mozilla sites (developer.mozilla.org, addons.mozilla.org, or, in this case, blog.mozilla.org). I think we maybe use mozilla.com for a handful of internal things. The corporation is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the non-profit, so the .org domain isn't necessarily a misrepresentation, either.

The argument for being corporate cant go both way tho.

What matters is how public perceives this, too. Posting corp stuff on the org domain/site means that then they are fully corporate-like. Which maybe is simply the case.

You can't justify that its not the case because Mofo owns Moco.. then say both Moco and Mofo share everything without implying its all just a corp. (or the opposite, but not both).

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by hackuser »

> recently we have been exploring how we can integrate client software on desktops and mobile with cloud service approaches to evolve what Firefox can do for people.

It will be interesting to see how the deliver those services while providing end-user control and confidentiality, and even monetizing the services at the same time. Even if they don't gain a lot of market share, the solutions to those problems could be very valuable socially, and Mozilla of course will liberate their tech and ideas so that everyone can benefit.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

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Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by wodenokoto »

guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

Why did they use to force you onto Google instead of giving you the option?

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by Osmose »

zobzu wrote: post #44
Osmose wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's currently no meaningful distinction between the two domains. mozilla.org is the standard domain for all mozilla sites (developer.mozilla.org, addons.mozilla.org, or, in this case, blog.mozilla.org). I think we maybe use mozilla.com for a handful of internal things. The corporation is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the non-profit, so the .org domain isn't necessarily a misrepresentation, either.

The argument for being corporate cant go both way tho. What matters is how public perceives this, too. Posting corp stuff on the org domain/site means that then they are fully corporate-like. Which maybe is simply the case. You can't justify that its not the case because Mofo owns Moco.. then say both Moco and Mofo share everything without implying its all just a corp. (or the opposite, but not both).

All I was trying to clear up was that mozilla.org is our standard domain regardless of what's being posted, and thus there was no conscious decision to put "corporate speak" on a .org domain. I dunno exactly why this decision was made, but I'm almost certain having .com and .org both in active use would be really confusing for users (is it addons.mozilla.com? addons.mozilla.org?) and, to a lesser extent, our ops and developers.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the tone of this post is too corporate for a .org and is a bad choice if we want to imply that Mozilla isn't just some for-profit company (which we don't, we like talking about how we're non-profit and open source and mission-driven).

Honestly I don't think anyone cares. We'd get the same trouble for posting corporate speak on a .com vs a .org because by the time you care about that, you already know enough about Mozilla to be bothered regardless of the domain.

Re: Moving Forward with Firefox

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Post by Osmose »

msvan wrote: post #39
guelo wrote: post #36

For the first time ever I had my sleaze senses tingling after a recent Firefox install. There is now advertising on the new tab page. And why was I forced onto yahoo search instead of giving me the option?

1. I believe you can turn the ads off. Firefox needs revenue, like any other organization with employees to feed. 2. I believe you can change your search provider. Yahoo search was made the default because Yahoo pays Mozilla a lot of money for it. Mozilla needs money, see #1. If we can diversify the search market while supporting free software, that's fine by me.

Also important to note that sponsored tiles disappear once you have enough history for the new tab page to fill with your favorite sites. I mean it's still ads (And I don't like them personally) but it's ads in a space that would otherwise be useless to users.
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