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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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especially in the company of the people who usually inhabit this website. It gets easier to understand when you realize most of us were bullied as kids. It becomes a natural instinct to herd together and protect our own. It's less because some of those people have media connections and more because those media connections happen to be people they consider friends and loved ones. At that point, emotional bias takes ov…

Thank you MrDom, I partially agree with you, some antiGGers that are in full force here at HN really don't want to hear the truth and gang up against those who challenge the damsel-in-distress that the likes of Sarkeesian (who's a front for Jonathan Mcintosh), Chelsea Van Valkenburg (who currently calls herself Zoe Quinn) and that odious John Walker Flynt guy (who calls himself Brianna Wu right now) dish out. As you…

I'm sympathetic to GG, but that name stuff is too close to dox for my taste.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Devin, can you provide concrete, actionable evidence, admissible in a court of justice that "that guy" is wrong with the core points of his article?

Hey, let's apply the same standard of evidence you've been demanding from others to your post! Can you provide evidence that's admissible in a court of justice that support the core points of the article?

The evidence is in the article. He displays emails in their entirety that talk about members of the press colluding on coverage. That's admissible in a court of law.

Here are more emails[0].

It's put up or shut up time. Either you're going to provide a thorough counter of the evidence provided or everybody will know exactly what you are: a liar.

[0]: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/18/the-emails-that-p...

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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This double standard absolutely boggles my mind, especially in the company of the people who usually inhabit this website. What evidence is there that prominent GG detractors are receiving harassment for their views? Exactly the same amount of evidence that prominent GG supporters are receiving harassment for their views, yet for some reason, this standard is only applied against some people and not others. I want to…

Thank you Karunamon. The fact that GGers who inquire into Silicon Valley power structures get demonised while anti-GGers get celebrated shows that distribution of power, and gives indirect evidence that the GGers are onto something that those in power are desperate to cover up. Keep digging.

> that those in power are desperate to cover up.

LMAO. Yeah. you guys sure keep showing them left and right.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #281

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Thank you MrDom, I partially agree with you, some antiGGers that are in full force here at HN really don't want to hear the truth and gang up against those who challenge the damsel-in-distress that the likes of Sarkeesian (who's a front for Jonathan Mcintosh), Chelsea Van Valkenburg (who currently calls herself Zoe Quinn) and that odious John Walker Flynt guy (who calls himself Brianna Wu right now) dish out. As you…

I'm sympathetic to GG, but that name stuff is too close to dox for my taste.

I actually had to look up what doxxing is! I realized I had never gotten a proper definition. Doxxing refers to the practice of investigating and revealing a target subject’s personally identifiable information, such as home address, workplace information and credit card numbers, without consent.

I suppose you could argue that exposing frauds is a form of doxxing, but so could whistleblowing. I think there is a line to be drawn[0], but their names? How do you talk about the key players in a scandal if you can't use their names?

[0]: That guy who took a picture of Zoe's work place and posted it on twitter was over the line, for example. Then again, Zoe posted Mike Cernovich's address on twitter and encouraged her followers to swat him.

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I'm sympathetic to GG, but that name stuff is too close to dox for my taste.

I actually had to look up what doxxing is! I realized I had never gotten a proper definition. Doxxing refers to the practice of investigating and revealing a target subject’s personally identifiable information, such as home address, workplace information and credit card numbers, without consent. I suppose you could argue that exposing frauds is a form of doxxing, but so could whistleblowing. I think there is a line…

I think it's not worth talking about them at all - IMO the journalist reaction to the scandal is most interesting. There's still no disclaimer on Nathan Grayson's articles and guys like Devin are playing 'See No Evil'.

But when we must talk about them, we can use their public names and get along fine. Getting their former identities doesn't help people who want to clean up journalism, it just helps dig up background dirt.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate

What is the reason for Facebook to remove content related to GamerGate? P.S. I don't understand why am I getting down voted for asking a question.

Talking about GamerGate on any forum will get you the craziest vote brigading you've ever seen. My original post went from 8 upvotes to -1 in less than a day.

God forbid you use the hashtag on Twitter. It's like summoning demons from all sides of the argument.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Thank you MrDom, I partially agree with you, some antiGGers that are in full force here at HN really don't want to hear the truth and gang up against those who challenge the damsel-in-distress that the likes of Sarkeesian (who's a front for Jonathan Mcintosh), Chelsea Van Valkenburg (who currently calls herself Zoe Quinn) and that odious John Walker Flynt guy (who calls himself Brianna Wu right now) dish out. As you…

I'm sympathetic to GG, but that name stuff is too close to dox for my taste.

In what sense is using people's real names problematic? When I'm calling the US president Barak Obama I'm doxxing him? Maybe it's a generational thing: when I was a child we still had this thing called telephone book, where you could look up every adults address and phone number.

All this shows the ridiculousness of the charges the Van Valkenburg and Flyns of this world are making, then the gullibility of their followers.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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I note that you have not provided a single bit of evidence for GG killing dogs, SWATing and bomb threats. Instead you like to Guardian, WaPo HuffPo etc, desparate publications that are well-known uncritically to print everything that confirms their readership's prejudices. Indeed you link to Sarkeesian's (or rather Jonathan Mcintosh) Twitter as evidence ... don't you think even random people might find such a source…

What, the New York Times wasn't objective enough for you? [1] You prefer the Washington Post? [2] See, here's the thing: because of the way that GamerGate works, anyone who says that they're part of GamerGate is a part of GamerGate. To use just one example, the shooting threat in Utah was by someone explicitly claiming a link to GamerGate. (And I never said that GG killed dogs, I said they celebrated the dogs being k…

Regarding "What, the New York Times wasn't objective enough for you?":

You really don't understand (or pretend you don't understand) how modern newspapers work.

1. Newspapers have ideological bias. In terms of domestic news, it's a liberal newspaper, so would automatically add a sexist anti-male spin.

2. Journalists are under heavy deadline pressure and badly paid. Typically most stories in a newspaper like the NYT are slightly edited press releases from some PR agency. The corrupt games journalists who are trying to cover up their wrong doings know this and produce press releases that smear GG, knowing that mainstream news outlets like the NYT will uncritically print them. You only need to look at the Wikipedia article for Chelsea Van Valkenburg (who currently calls herself Zoe Quinn) to see a prime example of a PR-agency hit-piece. Having worked in PR and journalism, I can smell the PR-style writing from a million miles.

3. Newspapers like the NYT are doing financially very badly and are desparate for page-views. And the damsel-in-distress narrative reliably generates such page-views. That's why the likes of Sarkeesian, Chelsea Van Valkenburg (aka Zoe Quinn) and John Walker Flynt (aka Brianna Wu) use them, and that's why the NYTs of this world print them.

Rest assured that the NYT writer responsible for editing the press release you linked to has done no fact-checking of substance.

As to "because of the way that GamerGate works": I'm afraid it's the other way round. Since there is no organisation, no formal membership, everybody can claim to be GG; moreover, Sarkeesian, Chelsea Van Valkenburg (aka Zoe Quinn) and John Walker Flynt (aka Brianna Wu) et al and their friends have strong financial incentives to run false flag operations, see their Kickstarters and Patreons and media adulation. So the only reasonable default assumption must be that they are running false flags. This default assumption should only be reversed in the presence of concrete, actionable evidence that would work in a court of law. So far none of this has been forthcoming.

I would also like to point out that the police clearly doesn't take these claims seriously, for otherwise we'd probably have seen some people being arrested or charged. After all anonymity on the internet is hard these days, and beyond the abilities of most.

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Devin, can you provide concrete, actionable evidence, admissible in a court of justice that "that guy" is wrong with the core points of his article?

Hey, let's apply the same standard of evidence you've been demanding from others to your post! Can you provide evidence that's admissible in a court of justice that support the core points of the article?

Applying the same standard of evidence to my others does in no way, shape or form solve your problem of providing evidence that's admissible in a court of justice that support the core points of the article? Since the Sarkeesians, Van Valkenburgs and Flynts of this world started out with claiming GG harrassment (and are profiting handsomely from it), it behooves them and their supporters to come up with evidence first.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Veering way off-topic: A gorgeous film and one of my favorites. It's a retelling of Shakespeare's "King Lear" set in Japan by the great, great director Akira Kurosawa. However, the King does not attempt to reclaim or exercise power; his children abuse him once he has surrendered it and is defenseless. It's a story about power and cruelty; the rashness of old age (and youth); the consequences of his prior life; trust,…

Kurosawa actually denied that it was inspried by King Lear, but rather the similarities were pointed out to him afterwards. It was based on some Japanese folk story about a king with 3 good sons, that he flipped to 3 bad sons.

Thanks, and good to hear from someone else who appreciates Kurosawa.

It's hard to believe the similarities between Ran and King Lear are coincidence. It's not just the plot but many elements of the story, too. Also, Kurosawa based other films on Shakespeare plays.

Wikipedia, FWIW, says he started with a Japanese story and incorporated King Lear "after he had started pre-planning".

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