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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ijk »

mafribe wrote: post #263
ijk wrote: post #226

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I specifically said celebrating those things; Brianna Wu's dog died of natural causes. It's immensely hard to tie the events to specific people, and by design GamerGate is too slippery to pin an individual's membership or non-membership. But there is undoubtedly involvement by people who solicit an association with the GamerGate movement. If your anonymous imageboard thread gets regularly co-opted by trolls, maybe th…

I note that you have not provided a single bit of evidence for GG killing dogs, SWATing and bomb threats. Instead you like to Guardian, WaPo HuffPo etc, desparate publications that are well-known uncritically to print everything that confirms their readership's prejudices. Indeed you link to Sarkeesian's (or rather Jonathan Mcintosh) Twitter as evidence ... don't you think even random people might find such a source…

What, the New York Times wasn't objective enough for you? [1] You prefer the Washington Post? [2]

See, here's the thing: because of the way that GamerGate works, anyone who says that they're part of GamerGate is a part of GamerGate. To use just one example, the shooting threat in Utah was by someone explicitly claiming a link to GamerGate.

(And I never said that GG killed dogs, I said they celebrated the dogs being killed. Which is obvious if you read 8chan at the time.)

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women...

[2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15...

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ijk »

Upgrayeddedd wrote: post #230
ijk wrote: post #176

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No, they're primarily picking fights with individuals and systematically distracting everyone from the actual corruption of monied interests. Every so-called ethics issue that GamerGate has highlighted has been a hugely overblown misinterpretation, while several major ethical issues, such as the attempt to tightly control what YouTubers could and could not say about Shadows of Mordor, were ignored by GamerGate. Major…

You know what's really funny? If it really was about three specific women, as you say, then misogyny is automatically ruled out. What is it? Hate of three "specific" women? Or is it hate of all women? Hahaha, you lot are your own worst enemy. BTW we just disagree with them but apparently that is hate these days.

Um, a narrow focus on three women doesn't exclude the possibility that they're generally misogynistic. (And it's an error to reduce "misogyny" to a conscious hatred of women, that's one definition of the word, but not what the word usually means.)

But you go right on saying that, person who made an account to post this one comment.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ijk »

MrDom wrote: post #233
devindotcom wrote: post #203

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yes, and we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!

You're not as far off as you think. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

Yeah, and in the adult world we call that article "making a mountain out of a molehill" and "fabricating evidence by selective reading".

What's the conclusion? That video game journalists are secretly colluding to push an agenda? That's just about the most penny-ante conspiracy theory imaginable. That the evidence is selectively excerpting emails from a professional mailing list (that from what I've been able to discover wasn't exactly a secret) is pretty petty.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ijk »

mafribe wrote: post #264
devindotcom wrote: post #241

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taking that guy seriously is a really great example of how desperate things have gotten out there.

Devin, can you provide concrete, actionable evidence, admissible in a court of justice that "that guy" is wrong with the core points of his article?

Hey, let's apply the same standard of evidence you've been demanding from others to your post! Can you provide evidence that's admissible in a court of justice that support the core points of the article?

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by mafribe »

Karunamon wrote: post #190
mafribe wrote: post #180

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Who were Anita Sarkeesian and Felicia Day doxxed by? Maybe they did it themselves, or their friends did it. Have you got any evidence at all that this is not what happened. After all damseling-in-distress is very lucrative these days. Edit: Downvoters, where is your evidence, where is your evidence, where is your evidence, where is your evidence?

This double standard absolutely boggles my mind, especially in the company of the people who usually inhabit this website. What evidence is there that prominent GG detractors are receiving harassment for their views? Exactly the same amount of evidence that prominent GG supporters are receiving harassment for their views, yet for some reason, this standard is only applied against some people and not others. I want to…

Thank you Karunamon. The fact that GGers who inquire into Silicon Valley power structures get demonised while anti-GGers get celebrated shows that distribution of power, and gives indirect evidence that the GGers are onto something that those in power are desperate to cover up.

Keep digging.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by sroerick »

BryantD wrote: post #62
sroerick wrote: post #46

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Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate

I would state this slightly differently: discussion considered to be abusive by the moderators/admins of their sites has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform. In some cases, that discussion involves GamerGate. It is possible to construct a conspiracy theory in which GamerGate is being censored, but given the existence of (say) http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ , it's hard for me…

Sure, I think that's a fair clarification. I think about 98% of "Censorship" is due to vote brigading.

It doesn't feel like censorship until your particular cause or group or agency is the one that comes under the boot.

For example, this list of words autobanned from /r/technology made me very wary of Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/22yewf/i_have_iden...

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

ijk wrote: post #273
MrDom wrote: post #233

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You're not as far off as you think. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

Yeah, and in the adult world we call that article "making a mountain out of a molehill" and "fabricating evidence by selective reading". What's the conclusion? That video game journalists are secretly colluding to push an agenda? That's just about the most penny-ante conspiracy theory imaginable. That the evidence is selectively excerpting emails from a professional mailing list (that from what I've been able to disc…

Argument by personal incredulity.

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Post by tootie »

hackuser wrote: post #184
tootie wrote: post #174

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This was actually the plot of Ran ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ran_%28film%29 ). The lord retires and divides his territory amongst his sons, but retains his title. His sons resent that he carries himself as lord even after they have inherited the land and conflict ensues. It's an absolutely enthralling and gorgeous film.

Veering way off-topic: A gorgeous film and one of my favorites. It's a retelling of Shakespeare's "King Lear" set in Japan by the great, great director Akira Kurosawa. However, the King does not attempt to reclaim or exercise power; his children abuse him once he has surrendered it and is defenseless. It's a story about power and cruelty; the rashness of old age (and youth); the consequences of his prior life; trust,…

Kurosawa actually denied that it was inspried by King Lear, but rather the similarities were pointed out to him afterwards. It was based on some Japanese folk story about a king with 3 good sons, that he flipped to 3 bad sons.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

ijk wrote: post #213
commandar wrote: post #196

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>GamerGate has, as a movement, systematically refused to decry the harassment or take any kind of practical steps to curb it As somebody that has watched GG from the outside out of fascination, I don't think this point is true and I think think it points to a broader problem online that I feel is becoming increasingly troubling - a failure to recognize that trolls are attracted to conflict and not necessarily represe…

Actually policing the movement and coming up with a coherent manifesto would be a good start . There's a lot more they'd have to do, but they've consistently refused to even consider trying it.

As mentioned in my previous post, with citations, this is plainly untrue.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

ijk wrote: post #273
MrDom wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not as far off as you think. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

Yeah, and in the adult world we call that article "making a mountain out of a molehill" and "fabricating evidence by selective reading". What's the conclusion? That video game journalists are secretly colluding to push an agenda? That's just about the most penny-ante conspiracy theory imaginable. That the evidence is selectively excerpting emails from a professional mailing list (that from what I've been able to disc…

Enlighten us, then. What parts do you think were fabricated? If you can provide proof (and by that I mean logical proof or physical proof) then I will change my mind. I just haven't seen any yet.
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