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As an European I say we should stop the US from learning. They're getting dangerous, with their knowledge.
>As an European I say we should stop the US from learning. They're getting dangerous, with their knowledge. Getting dangerous? The game is over, Europe has outsourced their intelligence gathering and show no indication of even wanting to try to catch up.
We know that the NSA tapped into computer systems and the backbone of essentially every country on Earth - I don't see how NK would have somehow been excluded. What's interesting is what information the New York Times includes that is not covered in the NSA document, presumably from unidentified officials and former officials. The document on Der Speigel speaks primarily about taking copies of intelligence from SK ha…
And another thing from Spiegel's article. NSA routinely attacks targets and then makes it look as if someone else did it: > But the loot isn't delivered directly to ROC's IP address. Rather, it is routed to a so-called Scapegoat Target. That means that stolen information could end up on someone else's servers, making it look as though they were the perpetrators. So how do we really know it was North Korea, and not ju…
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You aren't exhibiting a finally tuned sense of ethics. Exactly which ethical principle(s) are you following? This seems like a 5 minutes of thought kind of solution to an incredibly complex problem. North Korea can buy/steal/grow the knowledge they need. They already have nukes, and are working on missiles. I think the notion that we should sanction education (on top of the existing sanctions) is just playing by the…
>I think the notion that we should sanction education (on top of the existing sanctions) is just playing by the already broken playbook we (the rest of the world) have been to date. We are feeding their propaganda machine on how evil we are. We are not obligated in any way to provide education to North Korea. Saying we are "evil" for not educating another country is quite a stretch.
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The problem is that a skilled programmer in North Korea may be forced into a government role where they will likely perform unethical work. In the US, the person must voluntarily choose to pursue such a role. (Though I would not consider Stuxnet unethical.)
How could stuxnet _not_ be unethical?
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The problem is that a skilled programmer in North Korea may be forced into a government role where they will likely perform unethical work. In the US, the person must voluntarily choose to pursue such a role. (Though I would not consider Stuxnet unethical.)
Right, in US, the government will never force anyone to perform unethical work. That's an interesting assumption. What if a skilled programmer in North Korea volunteers to perform unethical work? What if a skilled programmer in US volunteers to perform unethical work? What if "ethics" simply depends on your country of origin? To be honest, what you and the grandparent post should be saying is that North Korea is the…
>Right, in US, the government will never force anyone to perform unethical work. That's an interesting assumption.
I think it's a reasonable assumption. You can't be forced to join the military (unless there's a draft) or an intelligence agency, and if you work for one, you can't be forced to do something you don't want to do; you can just quit. They can threaten you with prosecution if you leak anything, but they can't make you do something you don't want to.
In NK you can both be forced to work for an organization and you can be forced to do specific tasks you may not want to do, at risk of torture or death.
>What if "ethics" simply depends on your country of origin?
That is true of course. And no doubt there are going to be NK programmers who are ethical and do nothing but help their populace. Obviously many US programmers are performing unethical tasks daily as well. But again, in the US these will almost always be voluntary actions.
I think educating NK citizens is a perfectly good idea, just there are certain topics that perhaps they should not be taught, due to their oppressive and Machiavellian regime.
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Lets quote % of GDP when talking about a country with negligible GDP... honest! If what you say is true: DPRK spends $3 billion (approx) on military. It's neighbours spend the following: China: $150 billion (approx) South Korea: $33 billion (approx) Japan: $50 billion (approx) Lets not forget that South Korea and Japan are satellites for the US, and a conflict would involve them: $640 billion (approx). So their spend…
Yes but the discussion was about whether you could assume a DPRK computer science grad would go into military (or associated work). Using military spending as a % of GDP as a rough yardstick does suggest that the number of DPRK citizens involved in military activity is very high. Especially as each comp sci grad probably has greater potential to contribute to GDP than say your average farm labourer.
That makes the outright wrong assumption that the major cost of Military is personel...
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> The importance with regard to the SONY case is that SONY was not the victim of an opportunistic attack but was targeted specifically. Amazon, Google etc are specifically targeted all the time. What's different?
Nothing is different if they are also targeted specifically. The context of the discussion is that SONY, even if it 'increased spending on defense' would have been compromised because it was targeted in an attack rather than an attack of opportunity. Amazon and Google also get hacked. So does Adobe and Microsoft. So does the DoD and Whitehouse. So does JPMorgan and Wallstreet.
The difference between Sony and the other companies you listed is the effort they put into security/technology-defense.
Yes, anyone might be hacked. That doesn't mean you just throw your arms up and let it happen. Sony effectively threw their arms up.
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I love how american and european chauvinism continues to conquer reason in the 21th century. Why mention Africa when most of the world's malnourished people are in Asia? With the great variance that can occur on a continent why mention continents at all? If one must it is irresponsible to omit that both continents were forced into producing cash crops for export to Western Europe. Does that mean that the Western Euro…
>Why mention Africa when most of the world's malnourished people are in Asia? Because in the US, at least in my experience, 'starving people in africa' is kind of a colloquial trope - it is more readily referenced than starving people in asia, since we don't see charity organizations constantly using asian faces to advertise their foundations. >forced into producing cash crops for export to Western Europe Who exactly…
(www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/oct/06/in-the-heart-of-darkness/?pagination=false)
here is a picture for you dullards who cant read much less conform to your own logic.
(sites.northwestern.edu/akih/files/2013/02/MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpeg)
The pattern repeats in Asia and Americas and in several instances by careerists who are promoted from one to continent to the other. Yet the captive minds of the U.S. and Western Europe bemoan tyranny and cry terrorism, when that is their lasting legacy in world.
For those Silicon Valley slime out there, learn what happened to the Ohlone to eventually enable dimwits like this poster to populate their land with mostly white male offices and clutter the world with poorly conceived technology.
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I love how american and european chauvinism continues to conquer reason in the 21th century. Why mention Africa when most of the world's malnourished people are in Asia? With the great variance that can occur on a continent why mention continents at all? If one must it is irresponsible to omit that both continents were forced into producing cash crops for export to Western Europe. Does that mean that the Western Euro…
Ok, most of world's malnourished people are in Asia, so now I can't say that people are starving in Africa without being accused of European chauvinism. Got it.