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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by yourad_io »

hn_user2 wrote: post #54
yourad_io wrote: post #40

Trying to inform oneself about a technical matter through a mainstream news source is an exercise in frustration. Maybe my English needs work. Could someone with superior English skills to mine, please decipher the article and tell me: Is there any actual evidence of an attack? Has traffic spiked through/from NK? Or could this be them "pulling the plug"? Because the first case is: "Someone attacked NK Internet and br…

Yeah I caught that too. I interpreted the withdrawn to mean that they stopped advertising any routes for their ip block via BGP. Which could be a pulled plug or a DDOS. I think most likely a DDOS by a random party, but doesn't sound like much actual evidence to any specifics.

> I think most likely a DDOS by a random part

Agreed, but I would think a DDOS would be observable from the neighbouring (and even not-so-neighbouring) networks/systems.

Reporting an attack based on Dyn saying "under duress/consistent with DDOS" is just shitty, shitty journalism.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by haakon »

btbuildem wrote: post #61
lostgame wrote: post #42

Okay, seriously - who else is making the weird, kinda unsettling connection between the recent seizure of the Pirate Bay and this whole 'The Interview' business with North Korea? If the Pirate Bay was still online, would 'The Interview' have leaked already? Is the seizure of The Pirate Bay linked to the intentional suppression of the release of this film? Why would the government raiding TPB concede to do this for te…

TPB is online as of right now, not sure what you mean?

It's not online. Perhaps you have been misled by a fake copy?

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Post by onewaystreet »

kendallpark wrote: post #66
eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea. Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

A) The NSA told them. B) The CIA told them. Pick one.

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Post by skepxx »

otterley wrote: post #68
kendallpark wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea. Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

The FBI's summary analysis is here: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-so...

There's certainly some missing evidence in the FBI report. Regarding the IP's used, please have a read here: http://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/fauxtribution/

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Post by jmnicolas »

jusben1369 wrote: post #33
jmnicolas wrote: post #16

Of course, NK won't be pissed at all and they're not going to retaliate at all (yeah I know it's probably the goal of this attack). This might be the first steps of the first cyber world war for all I know. The only good thing is that only the elite will be affected by the collapse of NK Internet (no porn for a while). The average citizen probably can't even grasp what the net is, and none of her life is linked to it…

Yes can it really be the first cyber war if one side doesn't really have a cyber presence?

They don't need a massive cyber presence to damage others cyber presence.

And for them it's more a matter of pride than real damage done to their country.

I wouldn't be surprised if they announced that they will start to make some new missile test soon.

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Post by McGlockenshire »

wahsd wrote: post #75

So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? I don't know, I realize that NK is like some hormone crazed pubescent boy, but shit just seems weird. What if this all turns out to be some trolling by some third party, maybe even not government affiliated.

> So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this?

There is no actual released evidence, only statements from government agencies. The information that has been released says that some of the attacks did originate from servers hosted by NK IP space. That's it.

NK itself says that they didn't do it, and that doesn't match their previous threatening behavior.

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Post by nether »

McGlockenshire wrote: post #77
wahsd wrote: post #75

So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? I don't know, I realize that NK is like some hormone crazed pubescent boy, but shit just seems weird. What if this all turns out to be some trolling by some third party, maybe even not government affiliated.

> So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? There is no actual released evidence, only statements from government agencies. The information that has been released says that some of the attacks did originate from servers hosted by NK IP space. That's it. NK itself says that they didn't do it, and that doesn't match their previous threatening behavior.

Al Qaeda also initially denied responsibility for 9/11. It doesn't really mean anything.

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Post by [deleted] »

McGlockenshire wrote: post #77
wahsd wrote: post #75

So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? I don't know, I realize that NK is like some hormone crazed pubescent boy, but shit just seems weird. What if this all turns out to be some trolling by some third party, maybe even not government affiliated.

> So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? There is no actual released evidence, only statements from government agencies. The information that has been released says that some of the attacks did originate from servers hosted by NK IP space. That's it. NK itself says that they didn't do it, and that doesn't match their previous threatening behavior.

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