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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#61

Okay, seriously - who else is making the weird, kinda unsettling connection between the recent seizure of the Pirate Bay and this whole 'The Interview' business with North Korea? If the Pirate Bay was still online, would 'The Interview' have leaked already? Is the seizure of The Pirate Bay linked to the intentional suppression of the release of this film? Why would the government raiding TPB concede to do this for te…

TPB is online as of right now, not sure what you mean?

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#62

Trying to inform oneself about a technical matter through a mainstream news source is an exercise in frustration. Maybe my English needs work. Could someone with superior English skills to mine, please decipher the article and tell me: Is there any actual evidence of an attack? Has traffic spiked through/from NK? Or could this be them "pulling the plug"? Because the first case is: "Someone attacked NK Internet and br…

Dyn Research (née Renesys) was quoted in the article, and typically posts in-depth articles when this type of thing happens. [1] Based on the quote[2], I interpret the failure as someone attacking the routers themselves, overwhelming their control planes to the point where they can't sustain BGP sessions reliably. [1] No post from them yet, would expect it to be at http://research.dyn.com/2014/12/ if/when they do the…

I did see that, but it didn't quite measure up to a legitimate data point. "under duress" clearly states that there is "duress", but "consistent with" is somewhat conjecture-y.

If that is a verbatim quote, then Dyn is telling is that there was an attack (duress involved, no ifs buts or maybes).

If that quote has been altered even slightly[1], we're back to "NK won't pick up the phone no more"[2].

[1] Any of these would remove the "attack" edge of this:

Their networks...

* seem to be under duress

* (seem to be/are) down/nonresponsive

[2] but we don't know if someone blew up the switchboard, or if they switched it off themselves.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be pretty happy if governments all decided "cyberwarfare" was an acceptable substitute for the real thing. Nobody dies, some money is lost, some important people are embarrassed.

How would they decide who wins?

The smae way they decide in a normal war. They keep going until a treaty is signed. Typically the side who is worse off "throws in the towel" so to speak by signing a treaty that holds the favor of the stronger side.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#65

Trying to inform oneself about a technical matter through a mainstream news source is an exercise in frustration. Maybe my English needs work. Could someone with superior English skills to mine, please decipher the article and tell me: Is there any actual evidence of an attack? Has traffic spiked through/from NK? Or could this be them "pulling the plug"? Because the first case is: "Someone attacked NK Internet and br…

as far as I can tell (from one read of the post) the internet is down. I did not see any sort of quote from a network security analyst from a neutral party analyzing packets or saying it was a DDoS. It is not the style of DPNK for them to pull the plug, that would make them appear weak to the outside world when in fact they did invent the internet and have superior everything on everything.

> It is not the style of DPNK for them to pull the plug, that would make them appear weak to the outside world when in fact they did invent the internet and have superior everything on everything.

You misunderstand. They broke backwards compatibility with our puny Internet v1. It's progress, baby ;)

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#66

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea.

Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#68

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea. Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

The FBI's summary analysis is here: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-so...

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#69
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely it's some 14 year old with a small bot network. Or they decided to unplug their router for a week or two to have a bit of a Christmas break from the hassle of maintaining it, since it doesn't harm them in any way.

In support of the idea that it was in fact a 14 year old and not a nation this [1] was posted a few days ago on HN. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777226 edit: I do not mean that what the person who created that website is a 14 year old as it is a very thorough analysis. Just that with this type of information on the internet it is probably pretty easy to construct a bunch of bots to take out the country'…

Also, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777811

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

#70

LOL what a phatetic response, after a attack on the first amendment.

There's nothing proving it was an attack sponsored by the United States gov't or even a response.

People are writing about it, trying to lift moral. LOL
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