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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pvaldes » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 4:54 AM UTC

jcfrei wrote: post #222

mcv wrote: post #192

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That is exactly the market opportunity I'm seeing here: news sites for Spanish news that are based outside Spain. Reporting on issues abroad is still possible, and they may even be able to hire freelancers based in Spain. Or to put it another way: with no way to find Spanish news sites online, Spaniards would become entirely dependent on foreign news sites, which creates an incentive for foreign sites to focus more o…

Indeed, a very interesting development and I already see the government back paddling in a few years time. Imagine a large part of the Spanish receiving the bulk of their news from Mexican news outlets - the Spanish nationalists will go furious. It'll be a very ironic watershed moment.

Lets take in mind that some big newspapers in Spain are buyed from the banks. Same big companies can have a newspaper in Spain and another in Mexico, Colombia and Argentina. Is not so inusual.

And yes, as spaniard this is another shit from our beloved government that basically is butchering the whole entire country and giving all, blood flesh and bones, to carefully nurture his friends and family. A small and really happy minory. Everyday is his/her birthday.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pvaldes » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 5:04 AM UTC

diminoten wrote: post #100

raldi wrote: post #82

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You've misinterpreted the story as, "Google News won't be accessible to browsers in Spain." The actual story is, "The 'Spain' version of Google News won't be accessible to anyone."

What if I post a Spanish story to HN (or Reddit) and use the title of the article as the submission title? Will the company hosting the site have to pay up?

And if you are a teacher in the university writing a resume for your students they want you to pay for the right to cite previous work for other poets/scientifics/philosophers in the photocopies that you are giving to them.

Yep. As silly as is.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pvaldes » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 5:09 AM UTC

Oletros wrote: post #154

diminoten wrote: post #100

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What if I post a Spanish story to HN (or Reddit) and use the title of the article as the submission title? Will the company hosting the site have to pay up?

It affects sites like Meneame

And also the Universities... All of them.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pvaldes » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 5:22 AM UTC

exhilaration wrote: post #93

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #72

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Google should remove all deep links from the search database. Teach them a hard lesson.

Even better: keep the Spanish Google News operating but only link to Latin American news sources. Spanish citizens still get news in their preferred language but no traffic goes to domestic media outlets.

Yes, but different newspapers, Different countries... same newspaper owners, at least in many cases...

One of the most iconic examples:

http://www.prisa.com/en/donde-estamos/

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by rancur » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 6:27 AM UTC

throwawaykf05 wrote: post #250

rancur wrote: post #248

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there's been a few patent rulings that are [pretty wtf] contradictory to what the written law states

I follow US patent law and cases quite a bit, but not so much the EU. Could you provide a few examples?

try "criticism of EU patent law"

I can't find the original article. It was pretty silly, around 2008 or 2009, the court ruled something basically opposite to the written intent.

I think it had to do with a really low barrier to prior-art-baseed-invalidation, but that might have been another weakness

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by vsl » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 8:07 AM UTC

radio4fan wrote: post #223

jasonisalive wrote: post #219

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It's always the small fish who suffer the most from socialist policies. Only large organisations can justify the resources to out-maneuever punitive legislation. It's a shame that this irony isn't more widely understood.

While I have no opinion either way on your post, I felt that I should point out that Spain's government is not socialist. The party in power (Partido Popular) is on the right of Spanish politics, and sits with the right wing EPP group in the European Parliament. For what it's worth, while the US tends to think of Europe as being socialist, I can't think of any EU countries with socialist governments except Austria an…

That Partido Popular brands itself as right doesn’t necessarily make it so. This policy does show the typically socialist “let’s regulate everything and remove choice” approach.

> I can't think of any EU countries with socialist governments except Austria and Denmark.

Off the top of my head, France, Czech Republic or Slovakia. And the _previous_ Czech government was a prime example of a left-leaning gov. in anything but name.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by ddebernardy » Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 8:27 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #260

ddebernardy wrote: post #125

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> As an American I watch Europe pretty closely, and I've seen some things that are worrisome such as increasing amounts of fascism (anti-freedom / anti-privacy)... As a European who watches the US, I hope the irony of your statement has not escaped you. The NSA, the Can-Spam act, the TSA, Guantanamo Bay, how Obama gave a kill order on a US citizen without due process, how the hardline christian right and hardline lib…

"As a European who watches the US, I hope the irony of your statement has not escaped you." There's no irony in fact. I didn't claim the US condition was X Y or Z. There's nothing ironic about a heart disease patient pointing out the condition of another heart disease patient. Nor does pointing such out, imply that the observer is lacking of heart disease. Your reach is a failure of the application of logic. Just bec…

Well... it was emotional indeed, but to my credit your own post could just as well have been understood (no offense meant) as an "everything is perfect over here at home, but hey look at how things are over there!" kind of statement. Which, admittedly, rubbed me the wrong way, knowing all too well how frequent that type of statement is in Anglo-Saxon news outlets -- particularly in the economic sphere.

Anyway, no hard feelings I hope. ;-)

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by sparkzilla » Sat, Dec 13, 2014, 3:19 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #259

sparkzilla wrote: post #155

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I don't think it is possible to make "the next Wikipedia" from a fork. It's easier and cheaper to remake the data so that it works right from the get go. Best to start fresh. If the data is better then the contributors will come over anyway.

> It's easier and cheaper to remake the data so that it works right from the get go. Could you please explain? I don't understand how the data (ie all the articles) would weigh one down. Wikipedia as an organization has some cultural issues that one might want to fix. I don't really see a problem with the data that would warrant starting from scratch. (Starting from scratch might be necessary to fix the culture. But…

The problem is that the data has so many errors and inconsistencies it would actually take much longer to fix them than to start fresh. There is also the problem that Wikipedia data is based on pages (each page is an article). Using a smaller data type would allow for features like sorting and filtering the data on the page. I am working on these issue on my own site. As for the culture: that will not change. The culture follows the software design. You can read a deeper analysis here: http://newslines.org/blog/wikipedias-13-deadly-sins/

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by tonfa » Sat, Dec 13, 2014, 10:45 AM UTC

ars wrote: post #167

tonfa wrote: post #152

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Side note: there was no loophole for Amazon and shipping in France, just good PR that made people think there was.

Eh? Explain please. They made a law of no free shipping, so Amazon charged 0.01 for shipping. Seems like a loophole to me.

France has fixed price for books, with at most a 5% discount from the price fixed by the editor.

For online merchant, the law allowed the 5% discount to apply only on shipping and shipping can't be free.

So it doesn't matter if amazon shipping is 1cts or 1 eur, as long as it costs less than 5% it is free for the customer. But while shipping is still free, they now have to sell more expensive books.

From the point of view of the government the law worked as intended and there is no loophole, amazon and online booksellers just became more expensive than offline shops (since they can have both free shipping and 5% discount).

Personally if find that amazon played very well there, they managed to have the public perceive as a win what was a total loss.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pgeorgi » Sun, Dec 14, 2014, 5:55 PM UTC

rancur wrote: post #265

throwawaykf05 wrote: post #250

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I follow US patent law and cases quite a bit, but not so much the EU. Could you provide a few examples?

try "criticism of EU patent law" I can't find the original article. It was pretty silly, around 2008 or 2009, the court ruled something basically opposite to the written intent. I think it had to do with a really low barrier to prior-art-baseed-invalidation, but that might have been another weakness

The other difference is that common law cares for the written intent, while under civil law judges should seek the underlying intent - which can be opposite to what is written down.

One recurring examples I've seen in German law training (but IANAL): two parties agree on the sale of a certain type of fish but use the wrong (Norwegian?) word in the contract. What fish is this contract about? Correct answer: What they meant, not what they wrote down.

This might (or might not) be different in common law - but obviously still isn't an issue unless one party brings the contract in front of a judge.

As for articles about legal cases: Highly popular cases typically make more sense when you dig into the details (eg. reading the actual decision, not just what some journalist misunderstood the court's abstract to be about). Sometimes they remain puzzling - but I fear that's a feature of all legal systems.

And then there's the additional complication that patent cases seem to run under ever-so-slightly different rules to ordinary civil cases, no matter where.