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Google News to shut down in Spain

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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Something has to be understood.

This is not against Google in particular, is against a tool that helped people to find news in alternative media and gave visibility to small news sites.

This law is a victory for the big News Editors that are controlled by Government and economic powers in Spain

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Seems like the difference is they can't come to an agreement with publishers this time: "This new legislation requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not" (though of course they may be overstating the requirement)

Google should charge for listing, and it would be a nice coincidence - totally random of course, that the amount they charge is exactly the same as the amount they have to pay. Kind of like what amazon did when France forced them to charge shipping.

Side note: there was no loophole for Amazon and shipping in France, just good PR that made people think there was.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#153
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I am wondering if they will also remove newspapers from search results. Indexed search results of newspapers may also contain "News snippets"

According to this article (in Spanish) they are not. The law only affects news aggregators:

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2014/12/10/actualidad/14...

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#154
post #82

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You've misinterpreted the story as, "Google News won't be accessible to browsers in Spain." The actual story is, "The 'Spain' version of Google News won't be accessible to anyone."

What if I post a Spanish story to HN (or Reddit) and use the title of the article as the submission title? Will the company hosting the site have to pay up?

It affects sites like Meneame

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Google already makes billions from Wikipedia. The problem with kicking money back is that nothing goes to the contributors, but to the useless Wikimedia Foundation.

You can try to fork Wikipedia. The content is all available, all you need is a bunch of servers; then you can convince the contributors to come over.

I don't think it is possible to make "the next Wikipedia" from a fork. It's easier and cheaper to remake the data so that it works right from the get go. Best to start fresh. If the data is better then the contributors will come over anyway.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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There's a difference between Google Search and Google News. It is already an achievement to write the headlines of the news and to rank the importance of a piece of news. I consider this and all the editorial also as content. With Google Search, Google does the ranking etc. and provides a substantial own service on demand to a specific search. People always go to the original site if it fits their search request. All…

This is like being angry at a public library because it didn't write any of the books it contains.

It's more like being angry at the indexing system in the library. Damn you Dewey Decimal System!

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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This is one example of what happens when the population gives absolute power to a single political party: lobbying paradise. We spaniards have the politicians we deserve.

The similar "Sinde Law", that penalized P2P file-sharing, was approved with the votes of both PSOE (then in Government) and PP, the two main political parties.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Serious question: how do you get Google News to display the full article text? All I ever see is a short snippet, and if an article looks interesting I click the title which takes me directly to the news site. As a result, I end up visiting news sites that I've never heard of or never would have otherwise found directly.

It never shows more than the snippet. The Spanish government is arguing that people read the snippet and then never go see the article, so Google should pay for posting the snippet.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Serious question: how do you get Google News to display the full article text? All I ever see is a short snippet, and if an article looks interesting I click the title which takes me directly to the news site. As a result, I end up visiting news sites that I've never heard of or never would have otherwise found directly.

It only shows the snippet. To reproduce the full article would require Google to license the content from all the newspapers.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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And they are. But will this have the effects the legislators tried to impose. This doesn't get google, it hurts Spain.

I hate to break it to you, but Google are not the only game in town. There are plenty of news aggregators (that generate revenue e.g., from advertising), and plenty of places that would be only too happy to step in and be the news-site-of-choice for the customers Google is leaving. Google departing the market will not "hurt Spain" in any meaningful way.

> There are plenty of news aggregators (that generate revenue e.g., from advertising), and plenty of places that would be only too happy to step in and be the news-site-of-choice for the customers Google is leaving.

The consensus in Spain is that this law is very bad for ALL of the aggregators

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