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Google News to shut down in Spain

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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Serious question: how do you get Google News to display the full article text? All I ever see is a short snippet, and if an article looks interesting I click the title which takes me directly to the news site. As a result, I end up visiting news sites that I've never heard of or never would have otherwise found directly.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Why can't the just display the headline and no snippet from the article text? Or does that count as a snippet? But wait... what about the actual organic search results? Do they have to remove Spanish news articles from that too?

Google should remove all deep links from the search database. Teach them a hard lesson.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This case is less "Google News is not accessible to people in Spain" and more "Google News can no longer publish content originated in Spain." The effect may be similar because Spaniards often want Spanish content, but what's happening seems different to your characterization.

Well, they are not just removing all Spanish news sources from the Spanish Google news site, they are removing the Spanish Google news site , which seems pretty consistent with his characterization.

Spanish people can, of course, still visit any other country's Google News page, though. There is no reason to keep a single country's Google News page open if there are no news sources from that country.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Any newspaper that has a paywall and doesn't want their articles on Google News, can trivially prevent that from happening with a well-known two-line robots.txt.

Google News doesn't even republish full text. Just intro paragraph.

But newspaper sites seem to not be willing to pull their articles from Google News. They seem to be afraid that if they do, they'll lose all their traffic to the newspaper sites that are still in Google News. I don't know one way or the other., but I don't care that much.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they are not just removing all Spanish news sources from the Spanish Google news site, they are removing the Spanish Google news site , which seems pretty consistent with his characterization.

This is remarkable, as we could conclude that Google News can't or don't want to create content on their own, but only copy from other sources.

Of course they don't want to create their own content. They're a search company! Their entire business is aggregating and linking to other sources.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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LOL.

Spanish news is irrelevant now. Google will just show Spanish users broader Euro news they can continue to serve freely. Spanish newspapers just accelerated their demise.

You are so arrogant. "Google News needs to be stopped". Like you think an idea can be stopped. Please. The journalism profession exists because for a time it was profitable to package the changelog for reality in a convenient form and add a price tag. It's not profitable anymore. Like the candle-making industry, journalism is dead (as we know it). It is foolish to try to change the habits of billions of people.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #53

A pertinent quote from the Guardian article on this story: Germany passed a similar law to Spain’s and Google removed newspapers from Google News in response but in October publishers reached an agreement with the company after traffic to their websites plummeted.

That's exactly how it has to be done. Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator. We shouldn't forget that they're making huge amounts of money by selling others work here. On the other hand Google claims to create "real value for these publications by driving people to their websites", which is often true in the short run. So the publisher can consider allowing copyi…

Your statement "Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator" doesn't take into account that "Publishers can choose whether or not they want their articles to appear in Google News" (from the post).

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they are not just removing all Spanish news sources from the Spanish Google news site, they are removing the Spanish Google news site , which seems pretty consistent with his characterization.

This is remarkable, as we could conclude that Google News can't or don't want to create content on their own, but only copy from other sources.

It's remarkable that someone today tries to insult Google by claiming they aren't creating content. EVERYONE knows this. People use Google because they are great at organization information, not making it.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #67

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Can you clarify your claim that Google News "republishes the full text of basically every article", because I'm browsing right now and all I see are headlines with brief snippets and related news.

I wouldn't consider myself an expert on Google News, but I can't remember reading full-text articles on the service. I keep a tab open every day and click through the Top Stories every couple of hours. If it weren't for Google News, I might never have visited many news sites. Indeed, if Google News did not exist, I would probably use the New York Times almost exclusively, denying hundreds of ad impressions to smaller news outlets.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #13

Things are going very badly for a global internet if we are discussing a web site "shutting down in spain". Of course we all know what that means and it seems very sensible in 2014, but remember - if someone had told you in 1998 that a certain website would not be operating in country X, you would have laughed and explained to them (like a child) that the Internet was a single global network and that if one had Inter…

Just to be clear, Google is subject to this law because Google operates and has offices in Spain. It seems reasonable that Google should comply with the laws of where they do business.

But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use.

Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves. It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

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