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Google News to shut down in Spain

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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by pgeorgi »

rancur wrote: post #108
wtbob wrote: post #80

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But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use. Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves . It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

> It's a violation of fair use. welcome to the EU. just to warn you, you might find yourself laughing at their patent law, should you read it and applicable case laws

Case law in EU? Only within the former empire, and significant parts of that pretend to be on the way out.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by muyuu »

batiudrami wrote: post #73
deeviant wrote: post #37

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Well, they are not just removing all Spanish news sources from the Spanish Google news site, they are removing the Spanish Google news site , which seems pretty consistent with his characterization.

Spanish people can, of course, still visit any other country's Google News page, though. There is no reason to keep a single country's Google News page open if there are no news sources from that country.

It's similar to the Google China situation back in the day, except Spain won't block access to foreign versions of Google News.

Effectively, no Spanish-Spain news in Google news. I wonder if other Spanish-speaking versions of Google News will still link to major Spanish newspapers that are also popular in South America. I'd expect so. Many Spanish sources will actively try to get into Google News from other countries so they can bypass this levy and prevent the loss of traffic/relevance somewhat.

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Post by antr »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #197
antr wrote: post #194

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> Most of the wasted money that Spain, Portugal and Greece pay are the interest on the loans they had to take to bail out the banks. I don't know how you draw that conclusion. What source are you using? Interest expenditure in Spain is around 3.5% of GDP, just look at the Eurostat numbers. Then, mixing Spain's and Portugal's economic situation with Greece's is just comparing apple and oranges, as both suffer crisis f…

3.5% of GDP is a large part of the cuts being applied now. The main disagreement is that when the richer countries ignored the deficit limits to increase investment in their economies had no sanctions, while the smaller countries are forced into signing treaties that forbid public investment, in economies that are highly dependant on the public sector. Germany also benefits from being in the common market by having a…

So now, to you, 3.5% is "Most of the wasted money"... 3.5% is no economic pressure compared to the cost of running oversized Government structures. Back in the 80's when cost of capital for these Governments was in the 10%-15% no one really complained.

Can you cite the source where "countries ignored the deficit limits to increase investment" and "while the smaller countries are forced into signing treaties that forbid public investment". I'm fascinated by this opinion, a source would be useful, and the name and date of the agreement too.

Again, can you provide a source for the use of capital injections as you seem to know "The amount of money in low risk investments and deposits it's a small fraction of the bailout". How small is that fraction, where can I see that split?

I've got a sense that you are quoting political propaganda, but no hard evidence. But if you want to argue with no substance, and say that 2+2=78, I'm not here to for that.

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Post by muyuu »

mcv wrote: post #192
SiVal wrote: post #183

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According to the article: This new legislation requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not. This sounds as though it won't matter if Spanish news aggregators move abroad, because the law applies to the Spanish news sources themselves, not the aggregator. Unless I'm misunderstanding (and maybe I am, so…

That is exactly the market opportunity I'm seeing here: news sites for Spanish news that are based outside Spain. Reporting on issues abroad is still possible, and they may even be able to hire freelancers based in Spain. Or to put it another way: with no way to find Spanish news sites online, Spaniards would become entirely dependent on foreign news sites, which creates an incentive for foreign sites to focus more o…

The main media in Spain will start hosting sites abroad to bypass this law. This law is basically a way to hinder smaller media more than collecting money from Google, and in this respect I guess it will work.

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Post by josu »

kh_hk wrote: post #141
pmontra wrote: post #139

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I bet that google.com will still be visible in Spain. Search results include links to copyrighted material: web sites like elpais.com which id © EDICIONES EL PAÍS S.L. and a zillion others all around the world. Is Google removing this'd sites from the index for searches originating from Spain or it will pay the fine? This is to show how unreasonable that law is if it's really as general as it looks.

I guess the only way to account for such a convoluted and inexact law is by taxing Internet usage through ISPs. In fact, I think we should stop calling these taxes, when these are going to the private hands of shell associations.

One of the regions in Spain, Catalonia, will start taxing ISPs next year.

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Post by crucialfelix »

tankenmate wrote: post #200
crucialfelix wrote: post #199

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My other comment has been down voted, but let me reiterate that you are factually incorrect. Its not a matter of opinion. > In essence, if I were to write a song, record it and put it on youtube and it gets enough exposure, the GEMA will find it and make youtube to block it because they did not pay the GEMA for this use. Completely and utterly false.

And it is false because?

because GEMA does not find it and block it, YouTube blocks it themselves because they do not have a legal agreement since 2009.

its also false because it has nothing to do with popularity. I've seen very small artists getting blocked here because youtube has data identifying them as a member of any PRO (Performance Rights Organization) that has an agreement with GEMA to get money collected in Germany and then forwarded to the PRO in the home country of the artist.

members of other PROs or anybody that does not sign on to a PRO are unaffected.

I detest GEMA and have protested in the streets against them, but the statement above is false.

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Post by RyanMcGreal »

mcv wrote: post #192
SiVal wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article: This new legislation requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not. This sounds as though it won't matter if Spanish news aggregators move abroad, because the law applies to the Spanish news sources themselves, not the aggregator. Unless I'm misunderstanding (and maybe I am, so…

That is exactly the market opportunity I'm seeing here: news sites for Spanish news that are based outside Spain. Reporting on issues abroad is still possible, and they may even be able to hire freelancers based in Spain. Or to put it another way: with no way to find Spanish news sites online, Spaniards would become entirely dependent on foreign news sites, which creates an incentive for foreign sites to focus more o…

Who knew the internet would herald a new era of pirate radio?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by mcv »

KobaQ wrote: post #105
batiudrami wrote: post #75

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Of course they don't want to create their own content. They're a search company! Their entire business is aggregating and linking to other sources.

I think in this case it's a blurred line. In the case of Youtube even more. True, they don't want to create their own content, but when they republish it and making money by doing so, we're in the middle of the copyright discussion. The question to answer in each of Googles (or others) businesses is, when is Google presenting it's own work (search results, etc.) or the work of others.

Google is generally useful to the sites they link to. Most sites want a high rank on Google, because that brings them more visitors and more advertiser revenue, and Google offers them that service at no cost.

If they don't want Google to link to them, they can control that through robots.txt.

You may remember a recent German law that allowed German news sites to charge money for this, and Google removed links to news sites that didn't want to be listed for free. Pretty soon, all sites allowed Google to link to them again, because the loss of traffic hurt them.

Basically this amounts to the question: should search engines and aggregators be allowed to exist at all? Should we go back to the pre search engine days when you could only find new sites when someone discussed it on usenet, or through web rings (a network of sites about a similar subject where each links to the next one)?

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