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Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by tsax »

GrinningFool wrote: post #17
RealGeek wrote: post #10

Uber is not being banned just because of this rape incident. Uber did not following Indian laws & Delhi transport regulations, and operated illegally under the radar. Before this incident, Delhi Government was not aware about how Uber operated. This incident prompted Indian authorities to investigate the operations of Uber. Uber's stance is that we are not a taxi company, we are an app company; so we do not need to f…

No sexual offenses From the article: "Uber, which had employed the driver even though he had been arrested on allegations of sexual assault three years ago" THe implication there is that he had not been convicted of any offense - which means no sexual offense was [in the eyes of the law...] committed. I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand yeah, he was arrested for it and convicted or not, that's probably a risk U…

Let me just remind everyone here that in India, it's easy to falsify most documents, so relying on some sort of governmental agency for background is itself negligence. I would expect better from Uber knowing how ruthless they are and I'm disappointed. That said, the Indian government, which is a monument to human incompetence and corruption can't shouldn't really get away with this ham-fisted reaction.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by tracker1 »

kyledrake wrote: post #26
GrinningFool wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No sexual offenses From the article: "Uber, which had employed the driver even though he had been arrested on allegations of sexual assault three years ago" THe implication there is that he had not been convicted of any offense - which means no sexual offense was [in the eyes of the law...] committed. I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand yeah, he was arrested for it and convicted or not, that's probably a risk U…

While I would often usually with you, the nature of sexual assault is that even in "developed" countries, it is very hard to convict people for committing these offenses, and very often the accused walk. I can only imagine how much worse this is in countries that are less than friendly to women (I am not saying that India is better or worse, I don't know). I don't think it would have hurt them to err on the side of c…

I don't think a single accusation (not conviction) of rape should be enough to convict. As someone who was falsely accused when I was younger, it's pretty hard to get past the stigma of even an accusation in the moment.

I would say that multiple arrests (even without conviction) may be enough to bar certain types of employment, at an employers discretion, such as ride services where there is an increased risk.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by RyanMcGreal »

Watching the Uber saga unfold has been a fascinating time-lapse into how and why industries become regulated in the first place. It's fashionable to decry calcified organizations that refuse to adapt to change, but we regulate industries in response to market failures, and Uber's approach has been to toss out the the baby with the bathwater.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by gizmo686 »

kaitai wrote: post #110
lettergram wrote: post #59

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I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported), rather, there was not enough evidence to convict. I would still argue that there is a high amount of under-reporting because people are embarrassed, just want to put it behind them, etc. However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. Specifically,…

I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman was raped, it is certainly still an issue whether Uber can legally cover its ass or not. It is unfortunate how popular your opinion is among young men: rape really isn't an issue; lots of "angry ex-girlfriends" and "intoxication" skewing those reports (factual…

"The rape wouldn't have even been an issue [for Uber]"

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by jamespo »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #83
tdsamardzhiev wrote: post #66

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Legalizing weapons will lead to more women being raped. AND then shot. Which group do you think will be using arms more - 20-30yo uneducated, poor and agressive men or 13yo children and mothers of two.

A few days ago my girlfriend took a swing at me. I just let her go ahead - she had basically no real ability to harm me short of hitting me in the eye. Let me emphasize she's bigger and stronger than any Indian woman I've met. If I did anything other than stand there and let her hit me, it wouldn't even be a fight. Now give us both a gun. I'm probably a better shot, less afraid, and under close-up circumstances I can…

South Africa has a very high rate of rape and private gun ownership is permitted, what do you suggest there?

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by dethstar »

ajkjk wrote: post #106
dethstar wrote: post #74

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>I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported) They were saying it is a generally under-reported crime. Saying that there was 706 reported cases doesn't change anything. https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-r... Overall, your "feel" about a large number of reported cases being skewed are nothing but a feel. Proves nothing.

It's insane to discredit a valid point for being 'nothing but a feel'. You don't know if it's nothing or not. OP doesn't claim to prove anything and anyone reading can see that.

Well, false reports can not be considered false unless withdrew by the accuser. Otherwise is just a shot in the dark.

It is completely valid to discredit a point with no source. And there's sources that say it is 2% false accusations (like most other crimes) and there's sources that says is 40%. Why are numbers so separate from each other? Because it's a shot in the dark.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by mikeash »

tehaugmenter wrote: post #99
cant-be-serious wrote: post #84

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>The alleged driver had previously served 7 months in prison for rape charges, Only 7 months for rape?

That does seem absurdly low. I would think at least a couple years for a rape charge at the very least.

He was not convicted.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by bsg75 »

pc86 wrote: post #90
awinder wrote: post #33

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/10/delhi-rape-one-conv... Of 706 reported rape cases, 1 lead to an actual conviction. So you have an under-reported category of crime which is irregularly prosecuted. There's obvious ethical issues with denying jobs to people based on accusation rather than conviction, but in a society with a broken justice system surrounding that, there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice…

> there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice it You're exactly right. So the question becomes, "Is it better to disqualify applicants based on accusation alone, knowing that you'll disqualify some number of innocent people, or is it better to screen on convictions alone, knowing that you could possibly not screen out some guilty folks you otherwise would?"

Which is more profitable? Unfortunately such decisions often made on the basis of profit over ethics.
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