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Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by logfromblammo »

chc wrote: post #38
comrade1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're having multiple conversations here... I think western wealthy vegans don't have particularly strong morals or ethical values and are vegan for other elitist and classist reasons. I think if they were exposed to the real world they would have a more practical (and Buddhist) outlook on diet. I don't think they particularly care about animal rights either. You can have a moral and ethical existence and still eat e…

You still just seem to be asserting "My morals are right and theirs are wrong." I don't usually like to bring myself into things, but since we're getting into people's thoughts, I'll just be explicit here: I do not believe one can lead a fully moral existence while having animals killed or abused for your convenience. I'm not trying to force this on anyone, but I'm not going to have anyone force it out of me either.…

Let's bear in mind that someone is being locked inside a building for a while, just because he once ran a website that became unpopular with the authorities. Debating whether or not he should be fed a vegan diet on the inside is prematurely surrendering the debate that questions whether he should be losing the freedom to control his own diet for that supposed offense.

It is not a binary choice between just loss of freedom and loss of freedom plus compromise of one's dietary practices.

It seems odd that we would be assigning the same punishment regimes to people so pacifist that they won't even eat plankton as we assign to people who destroy human lives with nary an inkling of remorse.

Veganism is something I can understand and respect. The morality of state justice, on the other hand, is far less defensible when you look past its well-groomed public image. Depending on your locale, the prisoners in your nearest prison may be treated with less respect than the animals in your closest slaughterhouse. In that light, making morality-based appeals to the prison kitchen seems almost pointless.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by zethraeus »

johansch wrote: post #34
zethraeus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment is just derision by someone who respects the authority of conventional power and is unsympathetic to someone having a fundamentally different but consistent stance. ;)

You are attacking your perception of me, not my argument. The ";)" is weak cop-out.

You're right, it was intended to be read humorously.

The argument I alluded to is that there is an internally consistent viewpoint in which the government action at hand is genuinely corrupt and supporting crony capitalism. In this worldview, one that I think there's a strong chance that Sunde adheres to, he's not being whiney, he's taking rational actions.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by DanBC »

comrade1 wrote: post #49
chc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still just seem to be asserting "My morals are right and theirs are wrong." I don't usually like to bring myself into things, but since we're getting into people's thoughts, I'll just be explicit here: I do not believe one can lead a fully moral existence while having animals killed or abused for your convenience. I'm not trying to force this on anyone, but I'm not going to have anyone force it out of me either.…

Who's talking about killing or abusing animals? Only you are. I'm talking about eating eggs, butter, and for the few cultures that eat it, cheese. Even in the u.s. you can eat animal products where the animals lead healthy lives.

Female cows only produce milk to feed their young.

Thus, cows are constantly bred. Any male calves are sold off for meat (usually veal which in some countries consists of considerably cruel rearing practices -- if not used for veal they're just shot) and the female calves are used to continue the milk herd.

And that's just considering the dairy products from good farms.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by [deleted] »

gamblor956 wrote: post #50
towelguy wrote: post #33

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I don't see how it is wrong to keep your business and yourself as separate entities (or your other business in this case). For example, isn't it good practice to keep track of office renting space even if you are a freelancer and work from home so you can take it in consideration when deciding how much to charge for your work?

What he's saying is that it is extremely suspicious that the TPB guys are saying they made no money from running TPB, when they had easily less than 1% of the costs of businesses running similar types and volumes of ads (i.e., adult websites), and furthermore, when they were allegedly hosting TPB at another company that they also owned. It appears that the TPB guys are claiming that the hosting revenue earned by the…

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Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by contingencies »

neverminder wrote: post #37
towelguy wrote: post #21

Did prison work? I mean, will he go out and think "piracy is bad!"? If not, then what was the point?

The point is to make an example, so that the next guy would think twice before becoming a nuisance to the powers that be.

Which has totally failed, because the site is still up, youth perspectives against copyright law are at all time highs, the movement is expanding to physical fabrication, and in Europe, Australia and New Zealand we even have growing political outreach (Pirate Party, Wikileaks Party, etc.).

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by contingencies »

polack wrote: post #29

Soon Fredrik Neij will join him. He was arrested in Thailand yesterday and will be transferred to Sweden in a couple of weeks.

The SMH article I shared explained this was because the MPAA funded a lawyer to hang around in Thailand. Neij had been in and out of Thailand 30 times (he lives in Laos with his wife and young family) and the Thai's never cared .. until the MPAA funded a change in official perspective.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by vacri »

gamblor956 wrote: post #50
towelguy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how it is wrong to keep your business and yourself as separate entities (or your other business in this case). For example, isn't it good practice to keep track of office renting space even if you are a freelancer and work from home so you can take it in consideration when deciding how much to charge for your work?

What he's saying is that it is extremely suspicious that the TPB guys are saying they made no money from running TPB, when they had easily less than 1% of the costs of businesses running similar types and volumes of ads (i.e., adult websites), and furthermore, when they were allegedly hosting TPB at another company that they also owned. It appears that the TPB guys are claiming that the hosting revenue earned by the…

Depends on your bandwidth pricing. Are you sure that adult websites' hosting bills are 'easily more than 99%' bandwidth charges?

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by bjourne »

somehow wrote: post #32
bjourne wrote: post #28

I'm very surprised that they still maintain that all their income from advertising went to pay for their hosting infrastructure. TPB were hosted by PRQ which were owned by Fredrik Neij and Gottfrid Svartholm. Any bills PRQ sent them would be them paying themselves. That part of the story is really fishy to me. TPB has roughly the same type of advertising as one of the many porn tube sites. But a porn tube visitor eas…

TPB was hosted by port80.

TPB was hosted by PRQ which in turn was hosted by port80. But the two companies had a quite incestuous relationship with each other. The owners of the two companies were friends or at least good acquaintances with each other.
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