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Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by comrade1 »

chc wrote: post #25
comrade1 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you equating eating eggs and animal fat with having sex with twelve year olds? Are you going to Godwin the conversation next?

So you do simply disagree with their moral values, rather than believing morals should be cast aside when people around you hold different ones. That is what I figured. But surely you can see why vegans, who do believe animals' rights are very important, would not see any more merit to your advice than you would to advice that encouraged you to abandon your deeply held values because they're inconvenient.

We're having multiple conversations here...

I think western wealthy vegans don't have particularly strong morals or ethical values and are vegan for other elitist and classist reasons. I think if they were exposed to the real world they would have a more practical (and Buddhist) outlook on diet.

I don't think they particularly care about animal rights either. You can have a moral and ethical existence and still eat eggs and animal fat.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by somehow »

bjourne wrote: post #28

I'm very surprised that they still maintain that all their income from advertising went to pay for their hosting infrastructure. TPB were hosted by PRQ which were owned by Fredrik Neij and Gottfrid Svartholm. Any bills PRQ sent them would be them paying themselves. That part of the story is really fishy to me. TPB has roughly the same type of advertising as one of the many porn tube sites. But a porn tube visitor eas…

TPB was hosted by port80.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by towelguy »

bjourne wrote: post #28

I'm very surprised that they still maintain that all their income from advertising went to pay for their hosting infrastructure. TPB were hosted by PRQ which were owned by Fredrik Neij and Gottfrid Svartholm. Any bills PRQ sent them would be them paying themselves. That part of the story is really fishy to me. TPB has roughly the same type of advertising as one of the many porn tube sites. But a porn tube visitor eas…

I don't see how it is wrong to keep your business and yourself as separate entities (or your other business in this case). For example, isn't it good practice to keep track of office renting space even if you are a freelancer and work from home so you can take it in consideration when deciding how much to charge for your work?

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by johansch »

zethraeus wrote: post #6
johansch wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can and do have books, TVs and offline computers. The article is just whining by someone who tried to escape his prison sentence for two years and after getting caught (and then bragging about destroying evidence) is shocked that the system treats him as not being very trustworthy.

The comment is just derision by someone who respects the authority of conventional power and is unsympathetic to someone having a fundamentally different but consistent stance. ;)

You are attacking your perception of me, not my argument. The ";)" is weak cop-out.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by ameen »

comrade1 wrote: post #20
chc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that morals are a fetish or a luxury strikes me as a dangerous point of view. If I went to a country where businessmen frequent 12-year-old prostitutes, would you expect me to do that as well so as to be a good guest? I kind of suspect that in reality, there are things some people do that you simply wouldn't, and you are specifically dismissing veganism because you do not agree with their morals. I wonder if…

Are you equating eating eggs and animal fat with having sex with twelve year olds? Are you going to Godwin the conversation next?

I'm Muslim, and no Islam doesn't advocate having sex with twelve year olds.

Pork can be easily avoided, whilst other meat and animal products are widely used by the food industry (Food additives) that avoiding such products isn't as easy for Vegans.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by fivedogit »

dang wrote: post #30
zethraeus wrote: post #14

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Huh. I don't think I've ever before offended someone else on the internet enough to make them find and wave the shared last name in my face.

Yeah, that's out of line. Appropriately, users killed the comment by flagging it (and the poster subsequently deleted it). All: when you see a comment that is truly bad for Hacker News, you can flag it by clicking 'link' to go to that comment's page and then clicking 'flag'. We monitor these flags and take action based on them, and over the last few months have slowly introduced a system where enough user flags will…

How are "[flagkilled]" comments denoted at /v0/item on the API? "deleted": true or something else?

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by chc »

comrade1 wrote: post #31
chc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you do simply disagree with their moral values, rather than believing morals should be cast aside when people around you hold different ones. That is what I figured. But surely you can see why vegans, who do believe animals' rights are very important, would not see any more merit to your advice than you would to advice that encouraged you to abandon your deeply held values because they're inconvenient.

We're having multiple conversations here... I think western wealthy vegans don't have particularly strong morals or ethical values and are vegan for other elitist and classist reasons. I think if they were exposed to the real world they would have a more practical (and Buddhist) outlook on diet. I don't think they particularly care about animal rights either. You can have a moral and ethical existence and still eat e…

You still just seem to be asserting "My morals are right and theirs are wrong."

I don't usually like to bring myself into things, but since we're getting into people's thoughts, I'll just be explicit here: I do not believe one can lead a fully moral existence while having animals killed or abused for your convenience. I'm not trying to force this on anyone, but I'm not going to have anyone force it out of me either. You disagree with this belief, and that is your right, but to assume that I secretly know your system of morality is right and mine is wrong seems incredibly pompous to me. I believe what I believe just as strongly as you believe what you do.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'

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Post by quadrature »

comrade1 wrote: post #5

I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…

How is veganism a luxury ?, Veganism doesn't imply that the diet only consist of organic produce and Vegetables are far far cheaper than meat.
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