Can prisoners have books? Can't they have computers? Why?
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Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
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Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#12I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…
Morals and ethics, staying true to one's values, that's worth making sacrifices for. I take it from your comment you don't understand that.
Traditional Buddhism actually says you should eat meat if it is given to you as well, and they have been vegetarians centuries longer than the hipsters. They consider wasting food worse than eating meat. You shouldn't allow something to be killed for you, but it is a waste if it has already been killed.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#13I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…
Morals and ethics, staying true to one's values, that's worth making sacrifices for. I take it from your comment you don't understand that.
On the contrary. And your comment supports my premise. You have the luxury of being vegan.
I know I'm assuming, but like many wealthy westerners you probably travel to poorer parts of the world. Believe me, you were consuming animal protein or fat even if you were told otherwise. So what did you accomplish other than to show your elitism?
I don't think veganism is a particularly moral or ethical value. It reminds me of a conversation I was a third-party to where an American kept expressing how happy she was that a South American tribal chief was keeping to their "natural" lifestyle, while the chief kept expressing that they want schools and opportunities for his people. They were talking through each other.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
The comment is just derision by someone who respects the authority of conventional power and is unsympathetic to someone having a fundamentally different but consistent stance. ;)
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Huh. I don't think I've ever before offended someone else on the internet enough to make them find and wave the shared last name in my face.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
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Morals and ethics, staying true to one's values, that's worth making sacrifices for. I take it from your comment you don't understand that.
On the contrary. And your comment supports my premise. You have the luxury of being vegan. I know I'm assuming, but like many wealthy westerners you probably travel to poorer parts of the world. Believe me, you were consuming animal protein or fat even if you were told otherwise. So what did you accomplish other than to show your elitism? I don't think veganism is a particularly moral or ethical value. It reminds me…
You seem to be rather ignorant. Buddhist cuisine for example is generally vegan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cuisine Granted, there is a fair amount of variation among sects. But it's also around 1/5th the size of Christianity so that's to be expected.
Some paths of Hinduism also hold vegetarianism as an ideal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_religion
PS: World wide there are ~250million to 1 billion vegans depending on definitions. AKA is eating insects ok?
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#16I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…
People in the third world don't eat that much meat because meat is expensive. Now in the west, eating only plants is an expensive luxury.
The comment you're replying to did specify eggs as being more important in poor diets than other animal meat, which would square with my mother-in-law's experience growing up in the Philippines.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#17I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…
The idea that morals are a fetish or a luxury strikes me as a dangerous point of view. If I went to a country where businessmen frequent 12-year-old prostitutes, would you expect me to do that as well so as to be a good guest? I kind of suspect that in reality, there are things some people do that you simply wouldn't, and you are specifically dismissing veganism because you do not agree with their morals.
I wonder if you feel the same way about Orthodox Jews or Muslims eating pork.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
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On the contrary. And your comment supports my premise. You have the luxury of being vegan. I know I'm assuming, but like many wealthy westerners you probably travel to poorer parts of the world. Believe me, you were consuming animal protein or fat even if you were told otherwise. So what did you accomplish other than to show your elitism? I don't think veganism is a particularly moral or ethical value. It reminds me…
You seem to be rather ignorant. Buddhist cuisine for example is generally vegan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cuisine Granted, there is a fair amount of variation among sects. But it's also around 1/5th the size of Christianity so that's to be expected. Some paths of Hinduism also hold vegetarianism as an ideal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_religion PS: World wide there are ~250million to 1…
We're talking about veganism, not vegetarianism. You obviously didn't read the link you posted.
Edit: I'm responding to your recent edit. No, eating insects is not vegan. Why would you think that? Crickets and cockroaches are quite tasty with soy and sesame oil but not vegan.
The subject of the article would save his health and mind if he consumed eggs and milk.
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
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You seem to be rather ignorant. Buddhist cuisine for example is generally vegan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cuisine Granted, there is a fair amount of variation among sects. But it's also around 1/5th the size of Christianity so that's to be expected. Some paths of Hinduism also hold vegetarianism as an ideal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_religion PS: World wide there are ~250million to 1…
We're talking about veganism, not vegetarianism. You obviously didn't read the link you posted. Edit: I'm responding to your recent edit. No, eating insects is not vegan. Why would you think that? Crickets and cockroaches are quite tasty with soy and sesame oil but not vegan. The subject of the article would save his health and mind if he consumed eggs and milk.
Veganism when used by it's self is not clearly defined as seperate from vegetarianism.
"Dietary vegans (or strict vegetarians) refrain from consuming animal products, not only meat but, in contrast to ovo-lacto vegetarians, also eggs, dairy products and other animal-derived substances. The term ethical vegan is often applied to those who not only follow a vegan diet, but extend the vegan philosophy into other areas of their lives, and oppose the use of animals and animal products for any purpose.[4] Another term used is environmental veganism, which refers to the avoidance of animal products on the premise that the harvesting or industrial farming of animals is environmentally damaging and unsustainable.[5]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism
PS: Also if you actaully read the link: "Jains are either lacto-vegetarians or vegans."
Re: Peter Sunde: 'In prison, you become brain-dead'
#20I'm surprised a Swedish prison doesn't provide a vegan diet. Prisons in California provide a number of different diets, although I'm not sure about vegan. It's a large expense for them. But that said, I think there are times to give up on your vegan diet having to do with the culture that you find yourself immersed in. This has nothing to do with prisons, but if you're traveling in a culture where veganism is unheard…
The idea that morals are a fetish or a luxury strikes me as a dangerous point of view. If I went to a country where businessmen frequent 12-year-old prostitutes, would you expect me to do that as well so as to be a good guest? I kind of suspect that in reality, there are things some people do that you simply wouldn't, and you are specifically dismissing veganism because you do not agree with their morals. I wonder if…
Are you equating eating eggs and animal fat with having sex with twelve year olds? Are you going to Godwin the conversation next?