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Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #35

Random guesses from a Dane about tomorrow where the length of the sentence is to be determined. You can come back in 24 hours and vote based on the real outcome of a couple of these points, hehe: - Anakata will get a sentence somewhere in the upper middle. My guess is 4-5 years of which he has already served some. - JT will get a somewhat mild sentence of nothing higher than 1 year. The case against him is pretty wea…

JT's lawyer have already announced they won't appeal.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #9

Wow.. so in Sweden he first got 2 years, reduced to one. Imagine that being in the united states. What, 25 to life? Just saying, it's interesting how this concept of "justice" is treated so subjectively depending on where on this planet you are located. Nothing new under the sun, but still.

To put this in context, for a violent crime you would probably not get more than 2 years in Sweden either as a first time offender, which makes his sentence extremely harsh actually.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #55
post #46

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I would not wish a prison sentence on my (personal) worst enemies. Locking someone up for years should be an absolute last resort. I can't really imagine a worse thing than essentially becoming a slave to some prison for years. No freedom. This is the main issue I have with "jail the bankers!" narratives: Just take away their money, putting them in jail doesn't accomplish anything. This seems to be a big issue with A…

If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

> If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that

Really? Have you any studies to back that up or did you just extract it from your arse?

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #55
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not wish a prison sentence on my (personal) worst enemies. Locking someone up for years should be an absolute last resort. I can't really imagine a worse thing than essentially becoming a slave to some prison for years. No freedom. This is the main issue I have with "jail the bankers!" narratives: Just take away their money, putting them in jail doesn't accomplish anything. This seems to be a big issue with A…

If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized.

Prison, on the other hand, means that society spends a lot of money to make your live worse without any obvious advantage, at least for non-violent crimes.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #58

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There are many people I retweet whom I have no connection to whatsoever. I like what they wrote and I think it's relevant to or interesting for my followers.

There may also be people you had a drink with to whom I have no connection to whatsoever. It's not disqualifying but it is a piece of information.

Generally, information that has absolutely no merit in a court case isn't allowed in the courtroom because (I presume) it can subconsciously alter a person's judgement of the proceedings.

Assuming a retweet is the full extent of their "friendship", this is the real-world equivalent of dismissing an expert witness because the defendant quoted them in a paper once.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #43

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In the 20+ year history of computer crime prosecution, outside of this disputed case, what is the next most likely case where a hacker effectively framed another hacker who was then successfully prosecuted for the offense?

Shimomura and Mitnick.... ... ......

Shimomura was successfully prosecuted?

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

> If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that Really? Have you any studies to back that up or did you just extract it from your arse?

Did you read what is in between the ()?

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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post #15

Although the details of this story are interesting and compelling, my initial read of this story left me thinking, "Six years is lengthy, eh? I don't think that's considered 'lengthy' in the USA." Our prison system terrifies me.

Not to mention systemic torture and abuse.
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