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Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

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Is there a good site to see how much one "should" be making?

www.glassdoor.com may help.

Reminds me of myself a few years back, but it was a different tactic. Ok maybe it was 13 years ago, but still... I was offered $14/hr for some job at a factory as computer support. I had an interview with the customer, and the agency accidentally forwards me what they were making. I asked for $17/hr or no deal. It was a fair deal because I knew how much they were making and their profit was still good. They threatened to get someone else, I hung up, they called back later and accepted the deal. After working there for a while I found the timesheets of the previous person ... at $17/hr. So I was glad that I held out. It was a fine moment of negotiation on my part. I could have asked for more, but I gave them a fair number that I knew they couldn't refuse.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#32

I am going to go out on a limb and say that fake anything is a bullshit way of doing business. In a small way, you probably have made our corner of the world a worse place to be in. Why not just ask for 260K? To lie in order to get it may seem like the only way to guarantee a realization of what you are worth, but this fosters a business climate that you ultimately may not want to live in. Companies may feel the need…

They could have just said good luck. If it back fired he would have had a hard time saying he was taking a lower offer. it was a gamble and it paid off.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#33
Forget the guilt and channel your energy to creating more than $260,00 of value for your company.

During my first internship at a a start up that was about to IPO, I was so grateful, I would have worked for free. After a semester and the IPO, I was offered a different internship that I thought would provide more learning value. I told my mentor/manager, and he pulled me aside.

He said, "name a pay hike, and we can easily get it for you." I remember being so surprised because I was replaceable, and my work could easily be shifted to a new intern. Also, I remember the chance they took at taking an unproven undergrad on a rocketship of a startup. He told me that I didn't understand how businesses work yet, and I would soon learn that you are worth the value you provide.

Since then, I focus on knowing that at any company, I will provide incremental value, not just the status quo, but against competitive peers. And if a company offers more than I believe I can provide at a given time, I'll work my ass off to get to point where I can provide commiserate value.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#34

I have a question: How do people even have real counteroffers? Do you apply for multiple jobs and two or more happen to make you an offer? How do you manage to get the times to line up so perfectly?

When I look for a job I apply to multiple companies at the same time when I find job openings that match what I'm looking for and also apply to companies I'd love to work for that don't have openings.

So I end up having multiple phone interviews and then on-site interviews until I get one or more good offers. Just recently I got 3 really good offers in the span of two weeks and took the time to chose the one I really wanted to accept. I told each company I was interviewing at other places too and wanted some time to think.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#35

I am going to go out on a limb and say that fake anything is a bullshit way of doing business. In a small way, you probably have made our corner of the world a worse place to be in. Why not just ask for 260K? To lie in order to get it may seem like the only way to guarantee a realization of what you are worth, but this fosters a business climate that you ultimately may not want to live in. Companies may feel the need…

Any argument against this? Jamespitts seems to make perfect sense here. @jamespitts, thanks for the valuable comments. As per my experience just asking $260K from the professional negotiator would have not landed me anywhere near this figure, he would have at-most increased 10K. Not arguing against what you said, just saying I cannot win with recruiter on negotiation without counter offers.

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#36
More money is good, congrats, and this is just part of negotiation. But the company itself sounds broken.

Any company that will give you a higher title/pay based that's not based on skill is not doing job leveling properly. Going from (for example) "Jr. SDE" to "Sr. SDE" just because of a counter-offer/negotiation? No way. I'd be worried who else at the company is employed at a higher level than they should be...

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#38

We were wondering about that. Now several of us have stumbled across this item. So, report to HR tomorrow morning for your exit interview.

Are you actually the hiring manager in this situation, or just highlighting how foolish it is for OP to offer so much detail in his/her submission?

Re: Tell: Got 50% bump for faking a counter offer

#39

I am going to go out on a limb and say that fake anything is a bullshit way of doing business. In a small way, you probably have made our corner of the world a worse place to be in. Why not just ask for 260K? To lie in order to get it may seem like the only way to guarantee a realization of what you are worth, but this fosters a business climate that you ultimately may not want to live in. Companies may feel the need…

If the world operated as a true meritocracy, not faking or bullshitting and just being 100% honest would work.

However, has asking for a 50% raise in the same company ever worked? Can you imagine a scenario where it would work? Maybe I am lacking in imagination.

The reality is that in our current business climate, various morally repugnant actions take place all the time. The examples you listed of dishonest climates, you keep getting a raw deal. Do you just take the short end of the stick to maintain the moral high ground?

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