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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by freehunter »

sp332 wrote: post #245
artmageddon wrote: post #242

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Has it really? I need to update my AV setup then. Any recommendations?

Their detection rates have been pretty low lately. http://www.av-test.org/en/ I've been using Bitdefender at home. It's kinda annoying but seems to work fine.

As someone who works in the information security space, I've seen this touted over and over again, and repeated as nauseum in the media. However, the only place I see these terrible results is reports from AV Test specifically. And it bothers me, because I can't see why they would rate it a flat zero, when it certainly did not score a zero in their testing.

It feels to me like AV Test is being dishonest with their scoring. I don't know if they have any stake in who buys what product and I certainly don't want to claim they are biased since I have no proof of that, but the way MSE/Defender has been vilified in the media following the results from AV Test, I do have to say rating the product as a zero when it did not score zero feels incredibly dishonest to me.

Zero should be the security you have with no AV, and MSE rates 75%-80% in their testing.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by vhost- »

jnbiche wrote: post #253
canvia wrote: post #249

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Not having to reboot after updates is my favorite part of Linux so far.

Not having to reboot almost ever is also pretty nice.

How come I can't reply to "mod" below? https://i.imgur.com/k75wRiK.png

All Linux distros require a restart for kernel upgrades if you want to use that new kernel version. Or are you saying that Ubuntu actually forces the user to restart after a new kernel is installed?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by Yuioup »

Ronsenshi wrote: post #79
Yuioup wrote: post #69

Sorry, penguin lovers — if you thought that 2015, in the heinous wake of Windows 8, would finally be the year of desktop Linux, you were sadly mistaken. If you’ve ever ventured into the dark and mysterious land of Linutopia, where Ubutologists and Debianites reign, ... Wow what a snarky article! I guess Extremetech does not like Linux at all...

To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

Ok, but the sad looking Tux suggests otherwise.

On a side note. Linux users should be happy that Windows is using a package manager. It creates more opportunities to get Open Source software into Windows.

"Install-Package GNU", to name as an example.

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Post by slavik81 »

ethomson wrote: post #254
berdario wrote: post #235

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I'm afraid to say that I haven't had a positive experience either, but I was just interested in CoApp out of curiosity: I tried to see if it was doable to use it to package pure Python (or other interpreters) libraries. Obviously it was not ready yet, but I wasn't really let down: I seldom use Windows, so I don't have any real need for it, and my perception was that with some more months/years it would get there. But…

I'm also very optimistic about OneGet. I do think it's a worthwhile endeavor (and I think CoApp is worthwhile.) My frustration comes when Microsoft builds a technology and gives it a web page and open sources it and... promptly ignores it. I hope my criticisms of CoApp / Native Nuget did not transfer to a criticism of OneGet - my suspicion is that CoApp is abandoned simply because Garrett doesn't have time to both wo…

> It's also possible that OneGet deprecates CoApp.

That sounds like it's the case: "CoApp's features are going into OneGet, WiX, NuGet and Chocolatey. I had the opportunity to take this approach to get it in-box OS, I figured that was worth it."

http://coapp.org/news/2013-10-02-State-of-CoApp.html#disqus_...

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Post by sp332 »

freehunter wrote: post #311
sp332 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their detection rates have been pretty low lately. http://www.av-test.org/en/ I've been using Bitdefender at home. It's kinda annoying but seems to work fine.

As someone who works in the information security space, I've seen this touted over and over again, and repeated as nauseum in the media. However, the only place I see these terrible results is reports from AV Test specifically. And it bothers me, because I can't see why they would rate it a flat zero, when it certainly did not score a zero in their testing. It feels to me like AV Test is being dishonest with their sc…

It doesn't get a zero exactly, it says it's a "baseline". Sorry if I linked to a questionable source, but it's not the only place I've heard this from. AV Comparatives does the same (PDF) http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/av... Under the chart on page 3, it notes that MSE scored 80% (which is lower than the others) but it's not "competitive".

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by slavik81 »

I liked how the idea's champion dealt with Microsoft bureaucracy:

> So, back in August I started looking at what I was going to accomplish over the next year or so, and I thought it would be a good idea to try and see if I could get some of the CoApp package management ideas put into Windows itself (hey, it'd be kinda nice to be able to do apt-get style-stuff and have that built into the OS)

> I had proposed some of this at the beginning of the product cycle for Windows Blue (Server 2012 R2/Windows 8.1) but it was a little too late in the planning cycle, and I gave too-grand of a vision.

> I finally came to full understanding of some advice my pappy once told me: "The secret to success is to find someone else to care what you care about, and make it their problem." ... I looked at him like I understood what he meant, but he could tell that I was just paying lip service. He then said "Try it this way: Set the building on fire, take someone else's stuff into the building with you, and then cry for help"

http://coapp.org/news/2013-10-02-State-of-CoApp.html

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Post by robomartin »

72deluxe wrote: post #145
robomartin wrote: post #21

If Windows 10 was built on top of Linux I'd get a lot more excited. I have to use Windows for the myriad of engineering tools that are not available under any other OS, for example, SolidWorks, Altium Designer, various embedded toolsets, etc. And, while I've been using PC's (and Macs and Linux) since they came on the scene I hate, hate, hate the DOS or technically DOS-like underbelly of the beast. I know it is a ridi…

Which bit of Windows do you feel is DOS-like? Did you ever use DOS? The DOS underbelly of Windows disappeared with the release of Windows XP over a decade ago. Windows 95 and 98 were DOS-based, or at least had DOS underpinnings to some extent I think. From an API point of view, the Win32 API is incredibly stable and reliable and allows the ability to run programs from decades ago. This contrasts sharply with Linux, w…

We are now starting a large Python/Django project. All of our software development to date save iOS has been done on Windows machines. It is quickly becoming a PITA to develop these kinds of projects on a non-unix platform. Serioulsly considering switching everyone to Mac Pro's despite cost (10 to 12 seats). Yes, there are work-arounds. Not sure they solve the problem. More than willing to listen to suggestions.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by Scuds »

firepacket wrote: post #117
stingraycharles wrote: post #60

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Dependency management is more than 'defining and getting dependencies'. What if package X relies on version 1 of package A, and and package Y relies on version 2 of package A. Will they work together, each in an isolated sandbox, or will you have dependency conflicts? Package management is a really difficult problem to solve, which linux package managers have barely been able to solve. In addition to this, each progr…

It looks like they are basing OneGet off of NuGet - their package manager for Visual Studio. It does handle dependencies and is actually quite good compared to other package managers.

it's NuGet under the covers

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by freehunter »

sp332 wrote: post #315
freehunter wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who works in the information security space, I've seen this touted over and over again, and repeated as nauseum in the media. However, the only place I see these terrible results is reports from AV Test specifically. And it bothers me, because I can't see why they would rate it a flat zero, when it certainly did not score a zero in their testing. It feels to me like AV Test is being dishonest with their sc…

It doesn't get a zero exactly, it says it's a "baseline". Sorry if I linked to a questionable source, but it's not the only place I've heard this from. AV Comparatives does the same (PDF) http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/av... Under the chart on page 3, it notes that MSE scored 80% (which is lower than the others) but it's not "competitive".

For Protection Score, it's rated 0.0/6.0. For something that's 80% accurate, included with every computer by default (and turned on by default) and constantly updated, it's being done a massive disservice. Yeah there are better free AVs out there, but given the choice between nothing and MSE/Defender, I'd really rather everyone use MSE. There's a long way between 80% and 100%, but an even longer way between 80% and 0%. Especially when the AV is no longer even the most important part of PC security. That starts at the browser (every browser) and continues into UAC (on every OS) and things like SmartScreen verifying the reputation of executables (not just scanning for malware).

I wasn't meaning to call you out on your source, just the message that this test seems to give off ("MSE is worse than nothing").

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by talles »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #225
chippy wrote: post #211

But will it have sudo, or would you run PowerShell as Administrator?

Windows has runas and has since Windows NT 4.0. Maybe you should educate yourself instead of making incorrect snarky comments?

Jeez, take it easy.

It's a legit question, few people are aware of runas.

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