Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by robomartin » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 3:58 AM UTC

If Windows 10 was built on top of Linux I'd get a lot more excited.

I have to use Windows for the myriad of engineering tools that are not available under any other OS, for example, SolidWorks, Altium Designer, various embedded toolsets, etc. And, while I've been using PC's (and Macs and Linux) since they came on the scene I hate, hate, hate the DOS or technically DOS-like underbelly of the beast.

I know it is a ridiculous idea. It would break everything, including their profitable corporate platforms.

Yes, there are ways to mitigate this but it'd be nice if all computing platforms got behind a common standard. Utopia. I know.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by lsiebert » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:03 AM UTC

So does it do dependency management? That to me is essential in a real package management tool.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by yzzxy » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:06 AM UTC

robomartin wrote: post #21

If Windows 10 was built on top of Linux I'd get a lot more excited. I have to use Windows for the myriad of engineering tools that are not available under any other OS, for example, SolidWorks, Altium Designer, various embedded toolsets, etc. And, while I've been using PC's (and Macs and Linux) since they came on the scene I hate, hate, hate the DOS or technically DOS-like underbelly of the beast. I know it is a ridi…

What about just real POSIX and some kind of X interop or compatibility baked in? My (poorly informed) guess is this would allow a lot of low-hanging fruit from Linux, BSD, etc to be ported properly.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by xyzzy_plugh » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:10 AM UTC

There has been an (albeit poor) package manager for some time: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/cc748979(v=ws.10)...

I've personally struggled with it to fix corrupt updated installed by windows updates, and while it doesn't meet the bar set by mainstream Linux distro package managers, it is a package manager nonetheless.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by paulfurtado » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:11 AM UTC

agildehaus wrote: post #19

asdfaoeu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering a lot of the audience is Linux admins here what are you referring to?

WSUS maybe?

That, and possibly installing programs via group policy and MSI packages

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by joenathan » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:14 AM UTC

This will be a great way to automate Java and Flash updates, so users don't have play uncheck the adware every time there's an update.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by agumonkey » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:14 AM UTC

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #24

There has been an (albeit poor) package manager for some time: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/cc748979(v=ws.10)... I've personally struggled with it to fix corrupt updated installed by windows updates, and while it doesn't meet the bar set by mainstream Linux distro package managers, it is a package manager nonetheless.

Amazing how Microsoft keep stuff in obscurity.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by cordite » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:15 AM UTC

joenathan wrote: post #26

This will be a great way to automate Java and Flash updates, so users don't have play uncheck the adware every time there's an update.

Just hope that oracle doesn't try to sneak install the ask toolbar with every update.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by sixothree » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:17 AM UTC

agildehaus wrote: post #19

asdfaoeu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering a lot of the audience is Linux admins here what are you referring to?

WSUS maybe?

Windows Management Framework, Desired State Configuration, DISM, etc?

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Post by alttab » Wed, Oct 29, 2014, 4:20 AM UTC

yzzxy wrote: post #23

robomartin wrote: post #21

If Windows 10 was built on top of Linux I'd get a lot more excited. I have to use Windows for the myriad of engineering tools that are not available under any other OS, for example, SolidWorks, Altium Designer, various embedded toolsets, etc. And, while I've been using PC's (and Macs and Linux) since they came on the scene I hate, hate, hate the DOS or technically DOS-like underbelly of the beast. I know it is a ridi…

What about just real POSIX and some kind of X interop or compatibility baked in? My (poorly informed) guess is this would allow a lot of low-hanging fruit from Linux, BSD, etc to be ported properly.

Inevitably that effort would still fall short, and therefore not really at all. The leverage of linux is the linux community, and the access. Not ls vs dir. IMO. In any case, if they provided the Windows 8 experience built right on top of linux (and all the binaries and everything still worked) it would be a marvel.