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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Why? Powershell innovated a lot over bash - try and kill all processes started in the last hour with bash, then do the same with posh (hint: a regex is a terrible, terrible way to deal with time). MS could do something good with package management.

Try writing a Powershell cmdlet in a language not designed by Microsoft.

Any language that has a .net VM implementation can do it, including Python and Ruby, which weren't designed by Microsoft.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Microsoft Security Essentials is actively trying to put them out of business. I had the impression that it was the OEMs who liked bundling terrible software. I was looking at tablet PCs and they have some marketing term for "verified by Microsoft not to contain preinstalled crapware". Android doesn't have that.

Microsoft Security Essentials hasn't been testing as well as competitor AVs now for a few years. Also, MSE has been deprecated and replaced by Windows Defender, even though it seems that only the name has changed.

Has it really? I need to update my AV setup then. Any recommendations?

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> Good package management on Linux is owed largely to the tireless voices such as Stallman I thought it was due to the people designing the package managers. The people who run the repos Stallman-like end up shipping IceWeasel and Chromium and telling long boring stories to someone who just wanted Firefox and Chrome.

We owe a lot to those who work on package managers and the packages, but he has a point in that if it works so well it has a lot to do with the software being free. Important things like good and efficient dependency management and library reuse are far easier to achieve when all the relevant sources are available to packagers. IceWeasel and Chromium visually are Firefox and Chrome with different icons and you'll fin…

Not sure why you think I don't know why they exist, but Chromium is quite different from Chrome: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoo...

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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We owe a lot to those who work on package managers and the packages, but he has a point in that if it works so well it has a lot to do with the software being free. Important things like good and efficient dependency management and library reuse are far easier to achieve when all the relevant sources are available to packagers. IceWeasel and Chromium visually are Firefox and Chrome with different icons and you'll fin…

Not sure why you think I don't know why they exist, but Chromium is quite different from Chrome: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoo...

I know that you know it, I was talking about your hypothetical user.

Except for the color of the icon and the lack of support by default for AAC, H.264 and MP3 (I have support for those 3 in Chromium in Arch), do you find anything relevant that will make some non-expert notice they are using Chromium and not Chrome?

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Microsoft Security Essentials hasn't been testing as well as competitor AVs now for a few years. Also, MSE has been deprecated and replaced by Windows Defender, even though it seems that only the name has changed.

Has it really? I need to update my AV setup then. Any recommendations?

Their detection rates have been pretty low lately. http://www.av-test.org/en/ I've been using Bitdefender at home. It's kinda annoying but seems to work fine.

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Desktop computing doesn't really matter that much anymore. I'm also coming down harshly on Linux here - they tried to be a better desktop OS rather than skate to where the puck was moving to. The vast majority of actual 'personal computing' is phones and tablets. PCs are content creation devices. Asides from Android obviously not being the traditional stack - no glibc, no KDE or GNOME - AOSP isn't very useful compare…

> Desktop computing doesn't really matter that much anymore. For whom? Companies might make more money selling mobile devices compared to desktop/laptop PCs but that doesn't equate to the inane statement oft repeated that "desktop computing doesn't really matter that much anymore". Desktop (including laptops of course) is where 99% of the world's actual office, accounting, design, writing, programming, editing etc, c…

">>> Desktop (including laptops of course) is where 99% of the world's actual office, accounting, design, writing, programming, editing etc, computing based work is happening."

Agreed. Try typing out a dissertation on a tablet (no external keyboard or mouse to compensate) which has an approaching deadline.

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That's bullocks, you're just changing definitions to suit your needs. Android is a mobile phone OS and as suchhas a marginal market share on desktop. Windows still has over 90% market share on desktop ( http://www.netmarketshare.com/ )

Desktop computing doesn't really matter that much anymore. I'm also coming down harshly on Linux here - they tried to be a better desktop OS rather than skate to where the puck was moving to. The vast majority of actual 'personal computing' is phones and tablets. PCs are content creation devices. Asides from Android obviously not being the traditional stack - no glibc, no KDE or GNOME - AOSP isn't very useful compare…

> Desktop computing doesn't really matter that much anymore.

BWAHAHAHAHA!! Thank you. I needed that laugh.

Laptops and desktops will always be more powerful than mobile devices, therefore there will be users who want the option of having said extra power. Even if you could, say, run AAA games on a mobile device, the interface would be awful for most of them (eg FPSes).

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To be honest, it was kinda funny. I don't see why we can't find it humorous that year after year someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. I love Linux - been using it for several years and wouldn't trade it for anything (be it OS X or Win with package manager). Package manager is certainly an awesome thing, but not something that would make me (and probably anyone else using Linux) to switch over.

Yesterday I had to update my rarely used Windows partition and install some software for work. Virus/Firewall updates, Windows updates, Java updates, repeated forced reboots (four times in total) and playing hunt and peck with all these 'suspicious behaviour' popups, remembering to untick the 'install dodgy toolbar' checkboxes. I'm starting to feel that a decent package manager is the main reason I continue to use Li…

Not having to reboot after updates is my favorite part of Linux so far.

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I wonder if it was because nobody used it? It must have been a large thing to maintain and test every release.

It was gaining popularity at the point where they killed it; there was this real buzz, a feeling that this really cool thing was finally spreading to more people.

> It was gaining popularity at the point where they killed it

Was it? As far as I can tell, it had been losing popularity for a long time before Windows 8, and it was rare and getting rarer that any nx-based project would recommend using it on Windows, though occasionally you'd find people outside the main projects with recipes for making it work (or horror stories of their attempts to do so.)

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