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Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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I'm not really sure that relationship with AV vendors is as strong these days for MS to harm Windows UX.

Microsoft Security Essentials is actively trying to put them out of business. I had the impression that it was the OEMs who liked bundling terrible software. I was looking at tablet PCs and they have some marketing term for "verified by Microsoft not to contain preinstalled crapware". Android doesn't have that.

it's been nerfed so that it doesn't.

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Given that more android devices are sold than windows, iOS and OS X combined, I would say it is a mere observation of fact that the past few years every year has been the year of linux. Linux on the desktop on the other hand...

If we combine BSD and Linux, it's actually not so bad. * Globally, Android pretty much owns the mobile market. Android is a Linux. * Most servers run some flavour of Linux or BSD. * Although Windows still dominates the desktop market, a healthy share of the laptop market belongs to OS X, which is (partially) based on BSD. This isn't exactly how the Open Source crowd envisioned "Linux on the desktop", but if the goal…

> Although Windows still dominates the desktop market, a huge share of the laptop market belongs to OS X, which is (partially) based on BSD.

Shouldn't Apple be somewhere in this table, then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_comput...

I think you're hugely overestimating Apple's market share in laptops.

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If Windows Server or Exchange weren't a massive continued success you might have a point. As it is you just sound pathetic. http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-20...

We were looking to replace our ancient Exchange server with an Open-Source equivalent but nothing has a feature-parity. Nothing has the widespread support as Exchange: ability to fetch on all mobiles, widespread desktop protocol support (not just IMAP but you know, that Exchangey binary protocol), a web interface etc. etc. etc. It just is a massive continued success, although from my migration from 2003 to 2010 and s…

You tell me that only Exchange can work with their own binary protocol? I'm shocked!

Evolution can understand it, as I recall, and Red Hat has a server side component too, I don't recall the name now.

Re: Windows 10 will come with a command-line package manager

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If we combine BSD and Linux, it's actually not so bad. * Globally, Android pretty much owns the mobile market. Android is a Linux. * Most servers run some flavour of Linux or BSD. * Although Windows still dominates the desktop market, a healthy share of the laptop market belongs to OS X, which is (partially) based on BSD. This isn't exactly how the Open Source crowd envisioned "Linux on the desktop", but if the goal…

> Although Windows still dominates the desktop market, a huge share of the laptop market belongs to OS X, which is (partially) based on BSD. Shouldn't Apple be somewhere in this table, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_comput... I think you're hugely overestimating Apple's market share in laptops.

Let's say a huge share of a particular niche then. At least Apple is pretty good at making everybody feel as if they dominate their markets.

Case in point: I don't even own any Apple products.

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It's deprecated in Windows Server 2012: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831568.aspx I believe it was removed with 2012 R2.

I wonder if it was because nobody used it? It must have been a large thing to maintain and test every release.

It was gaining popularity at the point where they killed it; there was this real buzz, a feeling that this really cool thing was finally spreading to more people.

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> ...someone says that the next year will be a year of Linux. Who says that unironically in 2014, though?

Author here. I was being ironic :) I'm an equal-opportunities OS user. I have two Linux boxes (Slackware!), two Windows boxes, and an OS X laptop within arm's reach of my desk. I was just poking fun at the Year of Desktop Linux thing -- it's a bit of a meme/running joke in tech blogger circles.

The irony being that you weren't being ironic; mildly sarcastic instead.

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> you're just changing definitions to suit your needs. Same to you :-) Windows is also a mobile phone OS since Win 8.

You're saying: * Android is a desktop OS * Android has a market share way larger than Windows * Therefore Android has overthrown Windows as a desktop OS Which is completely false. Because on desktop Windows still has a ~90% market share.

> Because on desktop Windows still has a ~90% market share.

This is only true for _PC_ desktops but not for the overall desktop situation.

Consider Windows 10. It derives from the mobile Win 8 desktop which is made more suitable for PCs so that people can use office and spreadsheets and other classic software in the traditional Win 7 way. But you can do many of these things right now on Android devices. For instance, gaming and office:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft....

Both "static" and mobile desktops are continually merging together. Soon we will have mobile desktops which can turn into PC desktops instantly by just plugging the device into a docking station which is connected with a large display, keyboard, and mouse.

So when we define "desktop" as the sum of all traditional desktop applications then Android has really overthrown all other OS. The current office versions of Android are yet just not as convenient as PC desktop versions. Soon it will make no difference if you write your letters on a PC or on a mobile device with docking station. Of course this doesn't count for productivity software (software engineering, CAD etc.) which still requires a lot of PC horse power.

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every time seems exaggerated (given that even something major as Visual Studio installs without requiring a restart). Would be like saying Debian always needs a restart after a bunch of updates. Yes it does sometimes, it doesn't on other times. tip if you want even less restarting on Windows after installing (and less registry rot): always look for portable versions, if you can't find them first just try to get it yo…

Which version do you have of VS that installs without requiring a restart? Because I have vs2013 ultimate and each time I install it in a new machine I have to restart it (maybe two times if I have also to activate hyper-v)

2013 pro; IIRC it was the same for 2012 pro, rest is too long ago to remember but I'm pretty sure it hasn't been like that always :]. You got me thinking now though: I don't think I ever installed on a fresh machine without any previous installations of VS where possibly the prerequisites would require a restart.

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So, what exactly is your definition of a desktop system? If we're going to have this discussion we should get the agreement or disagreement over that definition out of the way. To me, it is a desktop computer. I'm inclined to include laptops in that definition as well. Basically, it's the kind of computer I'd use to get my computer work done at a desk, with as little regard to what exactly that work entails as possib…

Can you install Android on a desktop? Then it's not a desktop OS. It's quite simple.

http://www.android-x86.org

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This is a deliberately contrived example, the only line that matter is the last one: sudo apt-get install firefox

Firefox isn't in the Debian repos, unfortunately. But Iceweasel is installed by default on the desktop, so there's that. Unfortunately, Iceweasel is chronically behind mainline Firefox and suffers from many horrifying bugs that make it almost not worth the effort to try to use, which is why the grandparent comment goes through so much effort (Well, outside of the obviously well planted troll.) Also, Linux Mint is a t…

This is the problem I have with a lot of software. We're supposed to use redhat, for example, but don't subscribe to the RHEL repos. So I then I have to go add EPEL repos or find whatever repo the actual piece of software I want is in. Like google chrome, each time I can remember where to get it.
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