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Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by ezequiel-garzon »

andrewflnr wrote: post #59
ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #49

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I'm asking for guidance, since I don't know where to file what I consider a clear bug, and where to check first. (Ubuntu? GNU?) Instead, I already received a downvote and this... Thanks, anyway.

Probably an Emacs-specific support forum would have been a good choice, assuming you used Google first and didn't find anything. HN certainly was not. I didn't downvote you, but it looks a lot like you didn't try to do your own homework, because it's not that hard. Either one of the places you mentioned would have been better. That's probably why you were downvoted.

Thank you, Andrew. I guess I can also see why I could be downvoted, though it is sad that those with downvoting powers don't let not-so-thrilling comments "just sink" to the bottom of the page instead of downvoting, which in my mind should be left to destructive, offensive or just completely unrelated stuff. Best regards.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by omaranto »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #169
omaranto wrote: post #93

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Try adding (require 'org-table) to your .emacs. My guess is that you only have (require 'org-install) or something like that currently. (Running the org-mode function will load several org libraries, including org-table, if they aren't loaded already, which is why orgtbl-mode does work after the first use of org-mode in the setup I'm guessing you have.)

Thanks a lot for replying! That did it! Although I haven't tried the latest version, I know for a fact this wasn't necessary with version 23, which is puzzling.

By "puzzling", I guess you mean "good (yay for modularization!)". :)

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by fanf2 »

Dewie wrote: post #54
baby wrote: post #8

> A built-in web browser (M-x eww) What ! Anyone has screenshots of that? Is there a windows release somewhere?

I've been thinking about using a simpler browser for reading simple documents. The motivation is to have a sort of "minimalism", as in using simpler programs to do simple things, and not get easily distracted by all the bells and whistles in a more complex application (like for example Firefox). This, I think, would be aided by using a simpler browser that could for example be run in a virtual terminal for reading th…

Check out w3m: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3m

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by tuhdo »

zafiro17 wrote: post #164
tuhdo wrote: post #112

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You can check my mini manual to quickly be productive with Emacs: http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html Also check my other guides, even just to see Emacs's awesomeness: http://tuhdo.github.io/

A slightly different target audience, but here is my Woodnotes Guide to Emacs for Writers (not Coders). It will get you used to the editor, at least. I use Firefox plus the "It's all text" extension (configured to call emacs as its editor) for happy times on forums like this one. http://therandymon.com/index.php?/archives/197-Woodnotes-Gui...

Thanks. Look interesting.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by VLM »

chetanahuja wrote: post #121
VLM wrote: post #73

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"would learning my way around emacs also get me a productivity boost?" No. Although I first used emacs roughly 22 years ago so my memory might be rusty, the learning curve was extremely steep. Its not a GUI app with low maximum performance but very short learning curve, its more like something you'll have to mess with for a month to year to wrap your brain around. Its like learning dwarf fortress vs angry birds. In t…

"the learning curve was extremely steep" I beg to disagree. I learned me an emacs around the same time period (mid 90's). I don't remember the learning curve to be that steep. I started by doing the tutorial. If you download a GUI emacs (e.g. from http://emacsformacosx.com/ ), and open the program, you'll see a mouse clickable invitation to take a tutorial. Do this. Don't take shortcuts. Just spend the one or two hou…

Sorry for responding late, but completing the tutorial merely brings you up to the level of using vim. Like, OK, hit C-x C-s to save instead of esc :w to save. That doesn't really help, it just teaches equally productive keystrokes.

You can "rise above" by using emacs but its going to take a lot more than learning a different keystroke to scroll the screen. Learning all the features of your language mode, its debugger integration, integrated refactoring tools, project tool integration, it all takes time, and those are the areas where you get huge productivity gains when you put in the time.

I agree you are correct that the FIRST step is the tutorial but that won't provide any performance gains over any other bare text editor.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by jmount »

jmount wrote: post #120
tedunangst wrote: post #111

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Your key fetching command is vulnerable to the deadbeef attack. That could be anybody's key.

True, I didn't find any notes on what key to use and the key I typed in is the one the signature itself said was missing (so it is in fact a bad choice). Your criticism is valid. Sorry if I misled anyone, I meant to fix that but I didn't find much guidance on the gnu site as to what signatures to load to bootstrap trust.

Just a note: I think I was hoping (but didn't confirm) that I was downloading the key from GNU and the file from a mirror. So I thought I had the minor protection that I was at least safe from somebody who could only alter the mirror. But I agree with the criticism: not being clear what you are claiming to actually check in a crypto-situation can confuse others and cause harm. Sorry about that.
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