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Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by theoh »

melling wrote: post #45
webkike wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Emacs isn't a big Lisp interpreter. It's a text editor that is extensible with Emacs Lisp. Sure it contains a Lisp interpreter, but saying that Emacs is only a Lisp interpreter implies that the entirety of the text editor is implemented in Lisp, which is clearly not the case. I use Emacs as a text editor, which means I use it to edit anything that has text. Granted that is a huge part of my computing needs. I d…

Nope, it's mostly a Lisp interpreter. Stallman had to build some of the low-level stuff in C then he built the rest of the editor in Lisp. "We used the same idea here (in the hybrid technique), that most of the editor would be written in Lisp, but certain parts of it that had to run particularly fast would be written at a lower level" http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html That's the beauty of Emacs. Considering that h…

There's some kind of paradox here. You say it's mostly a lisp interpreter, but then, also, mostly editor functionality written in lisp. I'm not sure you can have it both ways...

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by gcv »

dietrichepp wrote: post #29
shepard wrote: post #21

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Interesting - could you please provide some examples of how are you using rectangular mark mode? I have never used it before, so I'm clearly missing something cool here...

Any time you're working with tabular data, or data that is aligned horizontally, it's helpful. For example, I might need to delete a prefix from a list of declarations. I often use macros for the same kinds of tasks, with each macro editing a line and putting the cursor on the next line afterwards.

Take a look at multiple cursor mode for this.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by Dewie »

baby wrote: post #8

> A built-in web browser (M-x eww) What ! Anyone has screenshots of that? Is there a windows release somewhere?

I've been thinking about using a simpler browser for reading simple documents. The motivation is to have a sort of "minimalism", as in using simpler programs to do simple things, and not get easily distracted by all the bells and whistles in a more complex application (like for example Firefox). This, I think, would be aided by using a simpler browser that could for example be run in a virtual terminal for reading things like documentation, in the context of developing where I will need a terminal (and maybe also a graphical text editor), anyway. So then there is less context-switching, presumably.

I am not someone who tries to do everything within Emacs[0] (yet?), but this seems like something that might be able to fit nicely with this kind of style, since I can restrict myself to only using Emacs and terminals for developing and reading online documentation. Does anyone enjoy working/developing like this?

[0] Yes, I see the slight contradiction in wanting to do things in simpler software, and then suggesting doing those simpler things within Emacs. :P

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by onedognight »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6
webkike wrote: post #4

I've been going off like a broken record in the comment pages for these posts, since I'm such an Emacs fanatic. But I'll say it again, this release is great! Rectangular mark mode, better web browser -- Emacs hasn't stopped getting better

Emacs has a web browser?

> Emacs has a web browser?

At one point there were only two web browsers in the world, one was Mosaic (Mozilla is short for Mosaic Killer) and one was W3 (the emacs web browser).

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by troels »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6
webkike wrote: post #4

I've been going off like a broken record in the comment pages for these posts, since I'm such an Emacs fanatic. But I'll say it again, this release is great! Rectangular mark mode, better web browser -- Emacs hasn't stopped getting better

Emacs has a web browser?

And a mail client. It's pretty much an operating system.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by gnuvince »

dima55 wrote: post #36
__david__ wrote: post #33

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Did you use the 'C-x r *' keys previously? I'm so used to those that I haven't been able to prove to myself that the new rectangular selection is better... In particular, I use 'C-x r t' quite a lot. What is the 'C-x space' equivalent to that? I'm curious to know which things are easier for you with 'C-x space'.

All C-x space does is visualize the rectangular region. You still use all the old binding (C-x r t for instance) to do anything with the region. The annoying thing about C-x space, is that it used to do something completely different (set gud breakpoint), but I digress.

> All C-x space does is visualize the rectangular region. You still use all the old binding (C-x r t for instance) to do anything with the region.

Really? Upon reading the release notes, I was excited that I'd probably be able to just use commands like C-w or C-x u to act on rectangles. Sad to see it won't be the case.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by andrewflnr »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #49
technomancy wrote: post #48

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Hacker News is not a great place for bug reports, just saying.

I'm asking for guidance, since I don't know where to file what I consider a clear bug, and where to check first. (Ubuntu? GNU?) Instead, I already received a downvote and this... Thanks, anyway.

Probably an Emacs-specific support forum would have been a good choice, assuming you used Google first and didn't find anything. HN certainly was not. I didn't downvote you, but it looks a lot like you didn't try to do your own homework, because it's not that hard. Either one of the places you mentioned would have been better. That's probably why you were downvoted.

Re: Emacs 24.4 released

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Post by robertfw »

fafner wrote: post #50
viksit wrote: post #17

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Is it me or is that browser (after looking at the screenshot) really "eww"?

Well it is limited by Emacs' display engine. It is obviously not supposed to replace your default browser. But it is usually good enough to view html documentation. Which is really something you want inside your editor.

I don't really see this, but perhaps it's because I've been spoiled by the light of tiling windows managers
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