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Your way of putting it implies that these two are equivalent in being "unfortunate and problematic", which in my opinion is a severe misrepresentation of the situation. In your opinion then, what's a better way to present it? I'm trying to look at this as broadly as I possibly can without getting strung up in highlighting granular, "this instance" and "that instance" responses, effectively coming across as a 'single…
A better way to present it would be, "I don't agree with all the points that people identifying as feminists in these arguments are making, for example XYZ. However, I strongly condemn calls for violence against them and think that the violence and threats of violence discredits any argument the GamerGate people may be making and reinforces the fact that we live in a patriarchal society and a rape culture where viole…
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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
I legitimately cannot decide what scares me more, the thought of a mass shooting, or the thought of a bunch of "heroes" with a concealed carry cross-firing. Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will). Once there is panic and an unknown threat, adding more guns i…
At least in my state, they beat it into you in concealed carry class that you must attempt to leave the situation, not doing so and opening fire puts you in hot water. Drawing your weapon should only happen when A. you can't escape (gunman blocking the exit and there is no alternate route), or B. You can't escape and you have been or are going to be directly harmed. In the end, I'm not worried about concealed carry p…
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your way of putting it implies that these two are equivalent in being "unfortunate and problematic", which in my opinion is a severe misrepresentation of the situation. In your opinion then, what's a better way to present it? I'm trying to look at this as broadly as I possibly can without getting strung up in highlighting granular, "this instance" and "that instance" responses, effectively coming across as a 'single…
A better way to present it would be, "I don't agree with all the points that people identifying as feminists in these arguments are making, for example XYZ. However, I strongly condemn calls for violence against them and think that the violence and threats of violence discredits any argument the GamerGate people may be making and reinforces the fact that we live in a patriarchal society and a rape culture where viole…
No it absolutely should not, and the applications that we've seen when this framework of thought is proof enough of what happens when we give the victim more legal weight than the accused.
Title IX is a perfect example of this flawed implementation of "justice" to the point where the victims receive all the benefits of due process, but the accused does not. Taking the victim at their word is preposterous and absolutely and wholly contrary to the way our legal framework was designed, and ought to work:
Quote: "OCR’s language implies that the rights of accused students at public colleges do not merit lengthy discussion and further suggests by negative implication that accused have any rights at all.57 The Letter also states that “[w]hen taking steps to separate the complainant and alleged perpetrator, a school should minimize the burden on the complainant, and thus should not, as a matter of course, remove complainants from classes or housing while allowing alleged perpetrators to remain.” In other words, alleged perpetrators should automatically suffer life-upending punishments like expulsion from their residences upon accusation because they are likely guilty. The writing on the wall from this treatment of due process rights is unmistakable: it implies, “oddly and ominously, that the statutory rights of the accuser trump the constitutional due-process [sic] rights of the accused.”"
Source: "A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT FOR STUDENT DEFENDANTS: TITLE IX AND SEXUAL ASSAULT ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES" (http://chaselaw.nku.edu/content/dam/chaselaw/docs/academics/...) p.61 pp.2 - p62 pp.1
You can absolutely have a civil discourse on how sexism manifests itself in the video game industry and others, and misogynist violence is absolutely never okay. But once we get to the point where conversations depend on giving one person more credence than another simply because of their status, or role in the affair, we're entering very dangerous waters.
One such example of the treacherous possibilities comes from the events of October 2012 at Ohio University where two students publicly engaged in lewd acts, photographs showed the female participant smiling, engaging and interacting with the male participant, and still cried rape to the detriment of the male participant even when local law enforcement could not find evidence to indict;
Source: http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2013/11/is_this_a_campus_rap...
No.
No we do NOT give the accuser "more weight".
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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Im sorry but that's just wrong. Let's change "default male position" and "almost always" to "feels like it after scrolling though this thread". I also think you confuse offering a second opinion with making an absolute statement. So "I will tell you a better way to handle this" becomes "I think this is a better way to handle this". Sound a lot better, doesn't it? I don't want to put words in your mouth but I also thi…
> I also think you're implying that the male in your example believes his way is better because he's a man and therefore smarter and all that nonsense Oh, definitely not. I think the guy usually has no idea what he is doing and it's just reflexive behavior.
Maybe I have to explain myself a little better. For the sake of this argument let's assume literally every time a women has a problem in this world a man talks to her and tells her what he thinks she should do. What exactly would be wrong with that?
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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Your comment provoked me to go and watch that video, and watching it clarified this whole issue for me. As someone who's done a reasonable amount of undergraduate-level film and literature analysis, I felt that the video fell quite nicely in line with that style of presentation, and it's clear that Ms. Sarkeesian has a strong background in that area. If this were for an assignment, she would've gotten a perfect score…
You make calm, reasonable, critiques of that video. You claim other "gamers" will not like her video for the reason you give. Can you explain how someone moves from "I disagree strongly with some aspects of the video you made" to [insert death threat here]?
It's how immature people act. They feel threatened & don't really know why, so they threaten back. I wish it was just children engaging in that type of behavior, but I know that's not the case.
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least in my state, they beat it into you in concealed carry class that you must attempt to leave the situation, not doing so and opening fire puts you in hot water. Drawing your weapon should only happen when A. you can't escape (gunman blocking the exit and there is no alternate route), or B. You can't escape and you have been or are going to be directly harmed. In the end, I'm not worried about concealed carry p…
Hell, if someone is hell bent on causing an incident, they don't even need a gun. I think that is something that gets lost in these discussions.
I seriously studied biology and chemistry, up to part way through MIT. If I wanted to kill a very large number of people ... I wouldn't even use anything I learned in those classes and labs, but stuff I in part picked up from the EEs I hung out with.
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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I don't care to conjecture about the frequency or origination of the threats because I don't think there's enough information and, frankly, it's not that important. I can tell you I'd happily endure electronic harassment for that much money, especially with experts telling me there's no risk of physical harm.
Really? $158k, minus kickstarter's cut, minus a bunch for the physical backer rewards, minus the production costs for the videos, probably minus some more for taxes, seems like that good a deal for a project that's been occupying years of her time already and basically forever ruined her ability to do things online without getting swarmed by abusive trolls? I think you're understating the effects of continuous harass…
That's still $135k
Seems like a pretty decent chunk of change (especially considering that she's still taking donations on http://www.feministfrequency.com/ and getting paid for speaking - both hinging on her continued relevance in the media)
I also think you're forgetting that she can simply change identities online if she wishes (anonymity protects the good guys too!).
Anonymous death threats made against celebrities aren't new (twitter is just a new, highly public, medium). No one can say with certainty she's not in physical danger, but no one can say with certainty she's not going to be struck by lightning either.
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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>"Gun Owner Openly Carries Gun To Little League Game Without Incident" doesn't make for nearly as sensational a headline as "Thirty-Seven Massacred At Redbox Dropoff" and newspapers exist to tell us about sensational events. I wish that 'Seemingly Responsible Gun-Owning Ex-Policeman/Soldier Accidentally Leaves Gun in Movie Theater Seat' informed the debate a little more. Happened twice to me while working as a movie…
And this a great danger because ... what? It is of course a danger, but so is crossing the street. What did you do when you found those weapons?
It's a great danger because a 10 year old could have picked them up and shot someone.
>It is of course a danger, but so is crossing the street.
And so is kissing an ebola patient. What's your point?
>What did you do when you found those weapons?
The boring, responsible thing, and the occasions passed without incident.
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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then could we arrange for leaders of the movement There are no "leaders of the movement". There are a few Twitter/YouTube personalities that are popular and have been rallied around, but they don't control anything. Most of the GG organizing takes place on anonymous imageboards and IRC, and most of it is through consensus along the lines of: "Hey, we should do X!" "That sounds like a good idea!" ..could organize a fu…
If there are no leaders and no control, then surely the GG movement can only be defined by what it does under it's banner and it can't in any sane way be called "level headed" or "balanced"? If there's no way to moderate the GG members beyond consensus then there isn't any organisation or even a coherent goal beyond attacking perceived threats. I'm not even sure what GG is trying to do by sending death threats to Ani…
That is false.
Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat
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Not really. Even trained police officers often hurt bystanders when firing their weapons: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooti... If a trained cop does it, I think it is legitimate to be concerned about a member of the public firing their weapon, no matter what their intent.
This is what happens when you extinguish a region's gun culture, as NY/NYC has done starting in 1911. You have "leaders" who both hate and don't understand guns and their use, outfit their men with poor tools (the infamous New York Trigger), and and those men's only experience with guns is very very limited training. Turns out citizens legally carrying concealed have a much better record. Given how anti-gun the MSM i…
Everything I can find on the "New York Trigger" states that it was specially requested by law enforcement and designed by Glock so the trigger weight would more closely resemble that of the revolvers they were then transitioning away from. Were they more prone to failure or..?