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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by CocaKoala »

kelvin0 wrote: post #255
CocaKoala wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I was not trying to state any of the scenarios I presented as facts. Oh, I'm sorry. I must have gotten confused when you said "Notice I did not accuse her of anything, simply stating two facts."; I took that to mean that you were simply stating two facts, and in fact you were trying to say literally the exact opposite of what you said. You should maybe work on saying things which are not one hundred percent false.

OK, so buy me a beer I will explain in person. Much simpler. I stand by my original comment, but this was never meant to be 'backed up' by any facts. Somewhere along this thread people are talking about conceal carry weapons, this is off topic. At least my comment had the merit of considering the topic at hand with a hypothetical scenario that got waaaay to much attention. I am always surprised by some reactions on H…

What? Why would I buy you a beer? You've done nothing but lie to me and skate around your words in what can only be either an attempt to spread doubt on the validity of a horrifying situation, or a manifestation of an appalling lack of self awareness.

How are you standing by your original comment?

edit: What I'm really looking for is any evidence at all that you're trying to debate in good faith. All of you've done is present a bullshit hypothetical that's entirely unrelated, try to claim that you're "just presenting some facts", write off everybody who disagrees with you as "emotional", and then handwave it away when somebody actually calls you on your crap.

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Post by ben0x539 »

vec wrote: post #256
ben0x539 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a scam? People gave her money to post videos about video games, she is posting videos about video games. Are you saying she's not enthusiastic enough about the video games she's calling out to deserve the money people decided to pay her?

He's obviously using the colloquial definition of the word "scam", namely "a completely legal and ethical enterprise with a business model that I, personally, disapprove of".

Nah, the meme that she scammed their supporters by taking the kickstarter money and disappearing has been part of the harassment campaign against her since the beginning, before she published the first videos. People in the gamergate miasma just don't like giving up their talking points even if blatantly contradicted by reality, I suppose. :V

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Post by ben0x539 »

anon3d3c928 wrote: post #114

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

This comment is totally on point and I'm immensely enjoying the frustrated reactions in the replies to it.

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Post by Istof »

kmfrk wrote: post #97
idlewords wrote: post #16

Before this was cancelled, Utah State University police announced "enhanced security measures will now be in place, which include prohibiting backpacks and any large bags." But anyone who had a permit to carry a concealed firearm would be allowed to bring it to the venue. I guess the theory is that anyone targeting Ms. Sarkeesian would have gone down in a hail of patriot bullets, but she wisely decided not to test th…

Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

you probably did attend such event, but the weapons were concealed

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Post by iamdave »

ben0x539 wrote: post #260
iamdave wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please break it down for me? I'm clearly not seeing it (we often fail to see the failings in ourselves, it's just human), I for my part tried to clarify my stance; repeating "false equivalency" doesn't help me understand your response any better.

As far as I can tell, there's the gamergate people organizing the harassment of people, posting their victims' private addresses, sending them death threats and all kinds of abuse, bullying people into withdrawing from their online identities, all under a propaganda screen of fabricated pretenses and smear campaigns. Then there's the "feminist" crowd which wants that sort of thing to not happen, and also talk about v…

Your way of putting it implies that these two are equivalent in being "unfortunate and problematic", which in my opinion is a severe misrepresentation of the situation.

In your opinion then, what's a better way to present it? I'm trying to look at this as broadly as I possibly can without getting strung up in highlighting granular, "this instance" and "that instance" responses, effectively coming across as a 'single issue debater'.

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Post by vec »

imaginenore wrote: post #219

Oh, the same Anita that previously got caught with making fake death threat against herself, the standard feminist tactic these days. Anita is a talentless hack who is trying to ride on the backs of the gullible male developers by whining about non-issues and nonsensical "violence-games-games-causes-real-violence" type of arguments.

I'm going to regret this, but here goes.

> Oh, the same Anita that previously got caught with making fake death threat against herself

Being accused of something does not equate to "getting caught" doing something.

> the standard feminist tactic these days.

[citation needed]

> Anita is a talentless hack

She's consistently putting out a large volume of well-sourced content with a relatively high production value. You can argue that she cherry picks her sources (she doesn't) or that her conclusions are wrong (they aren't), or even that she's an ideologue (she is, but that's fine). It's a pretty hard lift, though, to argue that she's not competent and unerringly professional.

> who is trying to ride on the backs of the gullible male developers

Who is successfully riding on the back of an enormously successful Kickstarter campaign. Kickstarter doesn't publish demographic information on the gender or profession of its donors, but a lot of people showed a clear interest in exactly the

> by whining about non-issues and nonsensical "violence-games-games-causes-real-violence" type of arguments.

As far as I can remember, none of her videos argue that "violence-games-games-causes-real-violence". Instead, they seem to be arguing that certain types of violence are problematic in and of themselves. You don't have to agree with this assertion, but at least have the decency to engage with the argument she's actually making.

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Post by jMyles »

kmfrk wrote: post #97
idlewords wrote: post #16

Before this was cancelled, Utah State University police announced "enhanced security measures will now be in place, which include prohibiting backpacks and any large bags." But anyone who had a permit to carry a concealed firearm would be allowed to bring it to the venue. I guess the theory is that anyone targeting Ms. Sarkeesian would have gone down in a hail of patriot bullets, but she wisely decided not to test th…

Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

In what country do you live? In the US, I assume that 10-15% of adults are carrying a handgun wherever I go, and I feel perfectly safe with it. In some states, like New Hampshire, I think it's probably more like 1/3.

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Post by ben0x539 »

teamhappy wrote: post #117

The wording of the title sums up the current state of the debate quite good. I (and I'm sure many other as well) stopped reading and writing about it some time ago. There seem to be endemic problems in all activist movements (you can call it something else if you like) such as the glorification/condemnation of certain individuals, participants being more interested in having it their way than finding compromises, and…

You're really reaching if you're trying to paint the representation of women as not a feminist topic.

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Post by ben0x539 »

imaginenore wrote: post #219

Oh, the same Anita that previously got caught with making fake death threat against herself, the standard feminist tactic these days. Anita is a talentless hack who is trying to ride on the backs of the gullible male developers by whining about non-issues and nonsensical "violence-games-games-causes-real-violence" type of arguments.

> Oh, the same Anita that previously got caught with making fake death threat against herself, the standard feminist tactic these days.

This is bullshit, there's not the slightest bit of evidence that she faked anything. Sarkeesian supposedly fabricating attacks against herself is a gamergate meme that's repeated as fact long before this thing happened and it's always been completely ridiculous.

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Post by ben0x539 »

kawsper wrote: post #88
byerley wrote: post #78

Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

I am a bit open minded to all of this, and I am trying to hear both sides in the debate. Some of the critique that she receives is good, and is asked by intelligent people. But then she goes on to this event and only answer the assholes and trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8mhDW6Shs She would win a lot of respect to me if she answered some of the constructive critique rather than disabling comments on YouTub…

With how much bullshit she's already getting, why'd you think that if she had youtube comments enabled, there'd be anything but more abuse and harassment there? She doesn't owe it to anyone to let trolls make her videos' comments a platform for further abuse.

I'm sure she's dealing with ~critique~ she receives appropriately, she just doesn't make herself available as a target to trolls quite as much as the gamergate crowd might like.

This looks like a pretty weak attempt to try to turn around the harassment she's facing and portray it as a fault of her own.

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