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A death threat doesn't become less real by not being followed through it, otherwise it'd be called murder, not death threat.

I mean I very doubt they are real, she has been shown time and again to be a liar.

This is a shitty gamergate meme and has no basis in reality.

The evil "women in gaming" conspiracy would have to be very, very well organized to fabricate the amount of false flag abuse they're constantly subjecting themselves to just on twitter.

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I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

Perhaps the reason for your confusion is because there has never actually been a response with violence against her?

So death threats are okay as long as you don't follow through?

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Um, more guns is a good thing - that is why we call the police. I think you mean more "skilled"/"trained" gun operators.

I prefer the model where nobody has guns, including the police. Maybe specialist armed units, but your average street cop shouldn't have a firearm: they aren't well trained enough. It is a proven model. It works. Plus even if you argue "people can just use knives instead," it still stops mass shootings.

Great. Then the relatively physically weak, the infirm, the elderly, the women, will be at the mercy of the strong.

A short look at mass shootings in Western Europe in the lat few decades, which are both more numerous and more deadly, suggests that intermediate restrictions won't do any good at best. History prior to that tells what government can easily do to disarmed untermensch.

I'll take an occasional mass shooting over everyone being at the constant mercy of thugs.

For that matter, sort of echoing the others who have commented prior to my starting this comment, such an attempt in the US would instantly spark a nasty civil war killing orders of magnitude more people.

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#184

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

GamerGate is not a group, Anita.

It's an event where multiple industry respected journalists were caught censoring or promoting certain stories in exchange for sexual favors.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

#185
post #87

I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

>Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? There's a lot of vitriol going back and forth by both sides of this latest iteration of the 'Battle of the Sexes'. I think abstracting back, a lot of very good points are being brought up that need to be discussed (lots of bad ones too, in the interest of intellectual honesty). It's not until you get a bit more granular that ugly heads start to rear up and we ulti…

I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence. On one side you have people literally threatening people with violence to the point of being forced to leave their homes, cancel speaking appearances, etc. On the other side, you have people pointing out this unfortunate fact.

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Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

Is it your contention that the large number of death threats, rape threats etc. being posted online are manufactured by the speaker for her own benefit?

I don't care to conjecture about the frequency or origination of the threats because I don't think there's enough information and, frankly, it's not that important.

I can tell you I'd happily endure electronic harassment for that much money, especially with experts telling me there's no risk of physical harm.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

#187
post #87

I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

Cause the death threats are so real...

Do you doubt that she has received death threats? Do you doubt that other women recieve death threats?

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post #133

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> maybe there would have never such a shitstorm. Nice. All this is totally her fault then.

Nice cherry you picked there. If you would leave a meaningful comment, I would be happy to talk. I stand by my words. Her videos are full of lies. They are on a Columbine or Jack Thomson level of "objectivity". Someone please prove me wrong about Hitman otherwise.

> If her videos were well researched and fair, maybe there would have never such a shitstorm.

This isn't about her videos. It is about the shitstorm (death threats!) you say is somehow partially her fault. Coming from the same person who said she was "bathing in the outrage". This is beyond criticism of her work, this is an attack.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

#190

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>Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? There's a lot of vitriol going back and forth by both sides of this latest iteration of the 'Battle of the Sexes'. I think abstracting back, a lot of very good points are being brought up that need to be discussed (lots of bad ones too, in the interest of intellectual honesty). It's not until you get a bit more granular that ugly heads start to rear up and we ulti…

I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence. On one side you have people literally threatening people with violence to the point of being forced to leave their homes, cancel speaking appearances, etc. On the other side, you have people pointing out this unfortunate fact.

I ask this earnestly, but did I give some indication that the threats being delivered don't deserve scrutiny or should otherwise be waved aside as negligible? I guess I'm not entirely getting where you're coming from; my point was that there's a worthwhile discussion that needs to be had regarding sexism in gaming, but much of it has been muddled by participants from both camps.

The death threats here, just happen to be example of muddling of side "A".

Name calling, death-threats, "doxxing", there's mud being flung here, calling it a "false equivalence" when I've implicated both parties of not moving the ball forward seems rather obtuse.

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