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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by UnoriginalGuy » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:05 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #65

idlewords wrote: post #16

Before this was cancelled, Utah State University police announced "enhanced security measures will now be in place, which include prohibiting backpacks and any large bags." But anyone who had a permit to carry a concealed firearm would be allowed to bring it to the venue. I guess the theory is that anyone targeting Ms. Sarkeesian would have gone down in a hail of patriot bullets, but she wisely decided not to test th…

Apparently Utah law would make it illegal for them to prevent people from bringing concealed firearms, which is basically a law to maximise casualties from campus shootings.

I legitimately cannot decide what scares me more, the thought of a mass shooting, or the thought of a bunch of "heroes" with a concealed carry cross-firing.

Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will).

Once there is panic and an unknown threat, adding more guns into the formula (particular without a uniform to go along with it) will only cause additional confusion.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Dylan16807 » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:05 PM UTC

ben0x539 wrote: post #59

sp332 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bunch of things thrown together. http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4395 "If you witness a group of issues, some relevant and some irrelevant, you will feel a need to respond to the relevant issues. If you witness someone responding to the relevant issues of the group, you will think they are responding to the group of issues. The exploit, taken from this, is then clear: Group up a bunch of issues (Apples, Or…

It's a bunch of things thrown together in a carefully calculated scheme to cover up an organized harassment campaign targeting women in the videogames industry . I appreciate that there's some decent people getting mixed up in a 4chan project with no ill intentions of their own, but that's not where the whole thing started.

From what I've seen it's a giant mess and not intentionally organized that way at all.

And yeah it started off in the worst way possible, so 'giant mess' is an improvement but not very good.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by chippy » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:06 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #45

hnha wrote: post #28

oh, what a fruitful discussion this might trigger.. What I don't get is how they constantly counter-act the common rules on how to deal with trolls or stalkers. It really feels like they are bathing in the outrage, not interested in actually solving it. And that's one reason why I sadly don't feel any sympathy but rather understand the vocal (non socio-/psychopath) critics. There is no fair discussion so I wish the m…

Funny how the default male response to a women's problem is almost always, "I will tell you a better way to handle this." Almost a cliché at this point.

I don't think that is the default male response at all. I am male and that is not my response.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:07 PM UTC

byerley wrote: post #78

Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:07 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #65

idlewords wrote: post #16

Before this was cancelled, Utah State University police announced "enhanced security measures will now be in place, which include prohibiting backpacks and any large bags." But anyone who had a permit to carry a concealed firearm would be allowed to bring it to the venue. I guess the theory is that anyone targeting Ms. Sarkeesian would have gone down in a hail of patriot bullets, but she wisely decided not to test th…

Apparently Utah law would make it illegal for them to prevent people from bringing concealed firearms, which is basically a law to maximise casualties from campus shootings.

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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by idlewords » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:08 PM UTC

byerley wrote: post #78

Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

Is it your contention that the large number of death threats, rape threats etc. being posted online are manufactured by the speaker for her own benefit?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by vlunkr » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:08 PM UTC

I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by kawsper » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:09 PM UTC

byerley wrote: post #78

Boy am I gonna regret this, I know these are polarizing issues, but please take a moment to consider the credibility of the individuals involved and their respective economic incentives. I think that, given objective consideration of the facts, it's clear that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally fueling controversy for financial gain. Her claims of life-threatening danger have been repeatedly refuted by law enforcement…

I am a bit open minded to all of this, and I am trying to hear both sides in the debate.

Some of the critique that she receives is good, and is asked by intelligent people. But then she goes on to this event and only answer the assholes and trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8mhDW6Shs

She would win a lot of respect to me if she answered some of the constructive critique rather than disabling comments on YouTube and only answer assholes. I can understand why she disables comments on YouTube, because YouTube comments are horrible, but she can address it in a video our an article, I think her videos are interesting and to the point but silencing good questions are bad in my opinion.

And since it have to be mentioned: Deaththreats are never acceptable, and criminal behaviour should be punished.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by nysv » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:09 PM UTC

_wdh wrote: post #63

Karunamon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but in reality it seems to have largely become corrupted by misogyny and the like Not any more than you'll find idiots in any movement - I would liken them more to the vandals that presented themselves during Occupy Wall Street. I hang around the organizing points for the GamerGate stuff - people are remarkably level headed and respectful (and absolutely NOT driven by misogyny). There is no organized harassment happe…

What are the organizing points for GG that are level headed and respectful? I must admit that I doubt that this exists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction seems pretty decent.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by intortus » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:09 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #45

hnha wrote: post #28

oh, what a fruitful discussion this might trigger.. What I don't get is how they constantly counter-act the common rules on how to deal with trolls or stalkers. It really feels like they are bathing in the outrage, not interested in actually solving it. And that's one reason why I sadly don't feel any sympathy but rather understand the vocal (non socio-/psychopath) critics. There is no fair discussion so I wish the m…

Funny how the default male response to a women's problem is almost always, "I will tell you a better way to handle this." Almost a cliché at this point.

Also funny how that "better way to handle this" is "be quiet and go away."