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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hga »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #136
Crito wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon Have you ever been to America? If so, you have almost certainly already attended countless events where somebody in the audience had a gun. The staggering majority of the time there are no incidents, so it is easy to overlook this.

"Gun Owner Openly Carries Gun To Little League Game Without Incident" doesn't make for nearly as sensational a headline as "Thirty-Seven Massacred At Redbox Dropoff" and newspapers exist to tell us about sensational events. I won't deny that there are responsible gun owners, but they're not a problem. The problem is that any nutjob can carry a gun and by the time he or she has demonstrated working knowledge of a safe…

"The problem is that any nutjob can carry a gun...."

If you mean legally, that turns out not to be the case. Or at least most states have prior restraint licencing requirements, which have done a great job of weeding out "nutjobs". Even those that don't, like Vermont (forever, never got into 19th and early 20th century anti-black/immigrant gun grabbing), Alaska, Wyoming, and populated Arizona, where you can carry concealed if you're not a criminal or an adjudicated "nutcase", have had no problems of this sort (if they had, you and I would have heard about them).

Per the GAO and scholar Clayton Cramer, as of the summer of 2013 there were 8 million licensed concealed carriers. If this is a problem, where's the blood on the streets?

Or is the problem rank bigotry by people who know nothing about these sorts of people?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hnha »

smackfu wrote: post #45
hnha wrote: post #28

oh, what a fruitful discussion this might trigger.. What I don't get is how they constantly counter-act the common rules on how to deal with trolls or stalkers. It really feels like they are bathing in the outrage, not interested in actually solving it. And that's one reason why I sadly don't feel any sympathy but rather understand the vocal (non socio-/psychopath) critics. There is no fair discussion so I wish the m…

Funny how the default male response to a women's problem is almost always, "I will tell you a better way to handle this." Almost a cliché at this point.

Sorry for trying to help?! I did not realise that offering advice from personal experience of receiving online death threats (and what I thought was common professional advice from police and law enforcement) was sexist. No more sympathy from me.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by opless »

_wdh wrote: post #37
kelvin0 wrote: post #5

I probably watch too many shows, but wouldn't that kind of threat (real or manufactured) actually push the speaker further into the limelight? So if this an actual threat (most likely) the 'bully' is really playing into her hands, so to speak. If this threat is manufactured, well this would indeed be quite a Machiavellian PR stunt ...

I really don't think anyone creates a marketing plan that involves fake death threats. That just doesn't make any sense, especially as she doesn't need to manufacture an outrage against her.

Though this would validate her "professional victim hood" as some would describe her and a lot of so-called "feminists" online.

I'm not saying that she /did/ call it in herself, but it wouldn't be out of character with her (and her peers) stereotype.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Erwin »

nysv wrote: post #89
_wdh wrote: post #63

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What are the organizing points for GG that are level headed and respectful? I must admit that I doubt that this exists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction seems pretty decent.

Wow, it's like McCarthy commission over again. Game companies and publications are labelled "anti-GameGate" or pro-GameGate. Boycotts are organized. You can get a Chrome Extension that will block anti-GameGate sites (who maintains the block list? apparently nobody knows; a user asks why some web comic is block and what anti-gamergate acts the user has done).

Bizarrely this means all links to anti-GameGate sites (like Kotaku) have to be posted via an archiving proxy, archive.me, as everyone on the subreddit apparently has the blocking chrome extension installed.

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Post by mindslight »

untog wrote: post #104
bitJericho wrote: post #93

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Yep, that sounds like normal fear-mongering to me.

Not really. Even trained police officers often hurt bystanders when firing their weapons: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooti... If a trained cop does it, I think it is legitimate to be concerned about a member of the public firing their weapon, no matter what their intent.

NYPD gang members also purposely ride horses into pedestrians. Should we thus infer that private equestrians cause greater mayhem?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by otikik »

kelvin0 wrote: post #79
idlewords wrote: post #31

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You're getting downvoted because of the obvious and obnoxious insinuation.

Being obnoxious is purely subjective to your perception. Does that make it any less valuable?

Your non-obnoxiousness is purely subjective to your perception.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Rubix117 »

ben0x539 wrote: post #148
Rubix117 wrote: post #138

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Cause the death threats are so real...

A death threat doesn't become less real by not being followed through it, otherwise it'd be called murder, not death threat.

I mean I very doubt they are real, she has been shown time and again to be a liar.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by vlunkr »

Rubix117 wrote: post #138
vlunkr wrote: post #87

I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

Cause the death threats are so real...

Even if they aren't real at all, how is that an appropriate response?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by nullsocket »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #81
pjc50 wrote: post #65

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Apparently Utah law would make it illegal for them to prevent people from bringing concealed firearms, which is basically a law to maximise casualties from campus shootings.

I legitimately cannot decide what scares me more, the thought of a mass shooting, or the thought of a bunch of "heroes" with a concealed carry cross-firing. Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will). Once there is panic and an unknown threat, adding more guns i…

At least in my state, they beat it into you in concealed carry class that you must attempt to leave the situation, not doing so and opening fire puts you in hot water. Drawing your weapon should only happen when A. you can't escape (gunman blocking the exit and there is no alternate route), or B. You can't escape and you have been or are going to be directly harmed.

In the end, I'm not worried about concealed carry people, it's the people who don't care to be registered that are the issue. And as it's been said before, if someone is bent on causing an incident, a sign that says "gun-free zone" isn't going to stop them, it'll just make for a target rich environment.

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Post by ijk »

nysv wrote: post #89
_wdh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the organizing points for GG that are level headed and respectful? I must admit that I doubt that this exists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction seems pretty decent.

You're joking, right? KiA is an echo chamber repeating things that have already been debunked by the time they post them. Like the supposed ISIS bot thing that's currently trending there.
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